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The Reality of Developer Burnout

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Re: The Reality of Developer Burnout

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It takes 10x the amount of energy to refute bs than to create it

Fortunately you do not have to refute all the BS in life. Just ignore it!

That's the thing with the people spreading bs. Especially if it's personal. They'll go to extraordinary lengths to remind you that it's always following you

Re: The Reality of Developer Burnout

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Aw man, that made my day, thanks for sharing it. I think we could all be a little happier, if we just tried. I'm not saying curing depression or burnout is as trivial as just trying to... But, you can certainly choose to be a notch happier than you are at this moment. Just one notch today, and try for another notch tomorrow. We can start by appreciating what we have.

I learned recently that if I list a few things I am grateful for, I will instantly feel happier. It seems like it works for others as well.

Are you grateful for anything that doesn't make you happier? It sounds like you're saying that thinking about things that make you happy makes you happy, and that this is something you just learned somehow.

Re: The Reality of Developer Burnout

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> It happens to everyone that writes code all day long More like "It happens to everyone." I know this is a developer-focused site, but this isn't a problem unique to people in software. An old joke, "Oh, you hate your job? Why didn't you say so? There's a support group for that. It's called everybody, and they meet at the bar."

I think burnout is a much more specific phenomena than just generally hating your job. It can happen in spite of you being very committed to your job (perhaps this even makes it more likely). I do agree though that burnout is not just confined to software developers. Hell, I'm about 1 year in and still recovering from some pretty serious burnout, and my job has almost nothing to do with computers.

I think it can happen in any job where: it's possible to care about the quality of your output, quality tends to be proportional to effort, and it's easy for your output to be discarded or ignored...

Re: The Reality of Developer Burnout

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HN is full of contrarians. Say anything blunt, not rude but blunt, and you will get down-voted to oblivion. And not even that, say something in a polite way that people cannot discredit but still not like and you will get down-voted. I feel like you have to mold yourself to the hive mind if you want your stuff to be up-voted. Not sure if this is really how it is or if it is just me. On the other hand, a lot of times…

With respect, you say this as though bluntness were a virtue. I've found that putting a little bit of effort into form goes a long way in generating useful feedback. Stated otherwise, it's about recognizing that we're not talking face-to-face, and that the characteristics of this particular mode of communication make it easy to misinterpret (often for worse) what is being said. tl;dr: my favorite way to start a comme…

Respect is not a given, it's earned. If you "respect" everyone it's the same as respecting no one.

Re: The Reality of Developer Burnout

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In my experience a huge part of burnout also comes from deriving all your sense of identity from one source. If you only identity yourself as a developer then you will probably sooner or later start questioning whether what you do is all that meaningful. You will also be seriously exposed to criticism as questioning your abilities becomes questioning of your worth as a human being.

You are also someones child, maybe a father or mother and only one step away from being a pianist, boardgamer, hiker, traveller or whatever.

Identity diversification.

Re: The Reality of Developer Burnout

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> Not only that, but I found myself censoring my own private thought processes, in the silent comfort of my own home, because of the public opinion of people I follow on Twitter. I deleted my Twitter account because of this. I realized it was an empty echo chamber of inaction. If anything you say can be interpreted in a way that the hivemind can destroy you over, they will do it, even with incomplete information and…

I resisted Twitter (and most social media including Facebook) for various reasons.

There is a very real cost to this choice (especially depending on your lifestyle). For me as a huge introvert I could tolerate the cost of not having Facebook.

For Twitter I'm feeling the professional cost of not having an online identity or an outlet or following to once in a while be able to announce or promote something.

So I've been considering joining Twitter again after many many years.

Does anyone want to comment on that?

I have noticed all the time I'm hearing about people talking about deleting Facebook and Twitter and blah blah but I never ever see someone in real life who actually sticks to that.

I feel like I'm the only fool who has gone through and stuck with it and has paid the price.

Re: The Reality of Developer Burnout

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> Not only that, but I found myself censoring my own private thought processes, in the silent comfort of my own home, because of the public opinion of people I follow on Twitter. I deleted my Twitter account because of this. I realized it was an empty echo chamber of inaction. If anything you say can be interpreted in a way that the hivemind can destroy you over, they will do it, even with incomplete information and…

> I realized it was an empty echo chamber of inaction. If anything you say can be interpreted in a way that the hivemind can destroy you over, they will do it, even with incomplete information and little to no proof. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

"I actually got that reference!" - Cap

Re: The Reality of Developer Burnout

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With respect, you say this as though bluntness were a virtue. I've found that putting a little bit of effort into form goes a long way in generating useful feedback. Stated otherwise, it's about recognizing that we're not talking face-to-face, and that the characteristics of this particular mode of communication make it easy to misinterpret (often for worse) what is being said. tl;dr: my favorite way to start a comme…

Respect is not a given, it's earned. If you "respect" everyone it's the same as respecting no one.

Respect, in this context, is a measure of how much you give a shit about not hurting, embarrassing, or otherwise causing negative reactions for someone. It's also a measure of how much you're willing to attempt to understand their points of view, by extension of that. You can respect everyone by default in this sense, and you can respect certain people more or less.

Re: The Reality of Developer Burnout

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> Not only that, but I found myself censoring my own private thought processes, in the silent comfort of my own home, because of the public opinion of people I follow on Twitter. I deleted my Twitter account because of this. I realized it was an empty echo chamber of inaction. If anything you say can be interpreted in a way that the hivemind can destroy you over, they will do it, even with incomplete information and…

I resisted Twitter (and most social media including Facebook) for various reasons. There is a very real cost to this choice (especially depending on your lifestyle). For me as a huge introvert I could tolerate the cost of not having Facebook. For Twitter I'm feeling the professional cost of not having an online identity or an outlet or following to once in a while be able to announce or promote something. So I've bee…

Can you not delegate for those functions? If the point of promoting things is to get people to pay attention to it, maybe get a few people who have influence on board.

Re: The Reality of Developer Burnout

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post #166

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I resisted Twitter (and most social media including Facebook) for various reasons. There is a very real cost to this choice (especially depending on your lifestyle). For me as a huge introvert I could tolerate the cost of not having Facebook. For Twitter I'm feeling the professional cost of not having an online identity or an outlet or following to once in a while be able to announce or promote something. So I've bee…

Can you not delegate for those functions? If the point of promoting things is to get people to pay attention to it, maybe get a few people who have influence on board.

Not really as they are not that specific.

It just seems having a large follower base gives you a bit of influence and leverage and a voice that you can use when the time comes.

I have avoided having an online presence for a variety of reasons mostly revolving around the negative aspects of social media but I'm feeling like the cost is becoming too high.

At the same time I hear a lot of talking about how good it is quit it and how bad it is for you and all of that but very little real action.

It just seems like everyone's suggesting it to others but not doing it themselves.

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