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Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by setasors »

cyberferret wrote: post #55
BuuQu9hu wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Makes it really easy to identify what site you are on especially if you have scrolled down past the header. You find using browser chrome color is easier than using URL bar for identifying the site?

LOL, next you'll be saying that we should replace coloured traffic lights with black and white "STOP" and "GO" signs? I'd suggest you do a Google search on the human ability to discern colour as an indicator way faster than reading text. Especially if on the peripheral vision outside of direct line of sight. NASA and USAF research papers on layouts of aircraft/spacecraft instrumentation etc. too might be helpful to y…

> I'd suggest you do a Google search

> on the human ability to discern colour

> as an indicator way faster than reading text.

"In psychology, the Stroop effect is a demonstration of interference in the reaction time of a task. When the name of a color (e.g., "blue", "green", or "red") is printed in a color that is not denoted by the name (e.g., the word "red" printed in blue ink instead of red ink), naming the color of the word takes longer and is more prone to errors than when the color of the ink matches the name of the color.

...

This is based on the idea that word processing is significantly faster than color processing."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroop_effect

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

#62

Post by isaac_is_goat »

tnecniv wrote: post #57
tornadoboy55 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, it's probably no exaggeration to say that most users haven't used a desktop email client in over a decade. Almost everyone that uses macOS uses Apple Mail. Actually, I prefer that from having to (keep ) open a tab for Gmail.

I even use Postbox

I also use Postbox, it'll take quite a lot to get me away from it.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by sigsergv »

setasors wrote: post #61
cyberferret wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL, next you'll be saying that we should replace coloured traffic lights with black and white "STOP" and "GO" signs? I'd suggest you do a Google search on the human ability to discern colour as an indicator way faster than reading text. Especially if on the peripheral vision outside of direct line of sight. NASA and USAF research papers on layouts of aircraft/spacecraft instrumentation etc. too might be helpful to y…

> I'd suggest you do a Google search > on the human ability to discern colour > as an indicator way faster than reading text. "In psychology, the Stroop effect is a demonstration of interference in the reaction time of a task. When the name of a color (e.g., "blue", "green", or "red") is printed in a color that is not denoted by the name (e.g., the word "red" printed in blue ink instead of red ink), naming the color…

It could also prove that text recognition has more priority than color recognition.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

#65

Post by BuuQu9hu »

cyberferret wrote: post #55
BuuQu9hu wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Makes it really easy to identify what site you are on especially if you have scrolled down past the header. You find using browser chrome color is easier than using URL bar for identifying the site?

LOL, next you'll be saying that we should replace coloured traffic lights with black and white "STOP" and "GO" signs? I'd suggest you do a Google search on the human ability to discern colour as an indicator way faster than reading text. Especially if on the peripheral vision outside of direct line of sight. NASA and USAF research papers on layouts of aircraft/spacecraft instrumentation etc. too might be helpful to y…

Your analogy is so broken I'm surprised you even suggested it. If there were as many traffic light colors as there are websites, obviously a sign with words is superior to some color-coded nonsense.

Let's say for argument that you frequent 5 sites and we'll maintain your traffic analogy. What's easier: memorizing 5 colors and their associated speed limit or just looking at numbers on the sign?

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by ymse »

vortico wrote: post #60
binarycrusader wrote: post #47

So what's the business model here? This is a "free" product, so how does Vivaldi intend to ensure its continued existence?

I'm wondering this too. Mozilla has tons of sponsorship from Yahoo and others. Google invests in Chrome to give them leverage for their own products. Since Vivaldi is closed source, how do I know they aren't selling my data?

Vivaldi is allegedly free software: https://vivaldi.com/source/

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

#67

Post by cyberferret »

BuuQu9hu wrote: post #65
cyberferret wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL, next you'll be saying that we should replace coloured traffic lights with black and white "STOP" and "GO" signs? I'd suggest you do a Google search on the human ability to discern colour as an indicator way faster than reading text. Especially if on the peripheral vision outside of direct line of sight. NASA and USAF research papers on layouts of aircraft/spacecraft instrumentation etc. too might be helpful to y…

Your analogy is so broken I'm surprised you even suggested it. If there were as many traffic light colors as there are websites, obviously a sign with words is superior to some color-coded nonsense. Let's say for argument that you frequent 5 sites and we'll maintain your traffic analogy. What's easier: memorizing 5 colors and their associated speed limit or just looking at numbers on the sign?

Not broken at all. If you do even rudimentary UX analysis with people, even taking cultural differences into consideration, you will find that most people equate a red coloured button with something dangerous or that can cause an adverse effect, and green/blue with a positive outcome.

Hence why in most cases, a save button will be green or blue or another cool colour, whereas a cancel or delete button will generally be red or yellow to stand out, or else a very muted colour so as not to draw attention.

And speaking of the NASA and USAF research, I used to be a commercial pilot, and studied those UX principles that were done way back in the 40's and 50's because they are still relevant today. Most aircraft instrumentation is very colour oriented, so that in the busy working conditions of a cockpit, you know almost instantly when gauges are 'in the red' or 'in the green'. There is simply no time to read the numbers in some cases, so you tend to get used to seeing either the colours, or the relative angle of gauge needles to ascertain whether you are in trouble or not.

Similarly, if I am tabbing through Vivaldi windows, I can tell far quicker whether I am on HN by noticing the quintessential "Hacker News Orange" colour on the frame of the browser, than I can by trying to parse something like: "https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=13334188&goto=item%3Fi... on a 1cm high URL bar with my 50 year old eyesight.

I browse several other sites that use the same fawn colour for the main body of the site, but HN always has the orange outline in Vivaldi, even if the header bar is out of sight on the page.

Same for the Facebook deep blue, or the Twitter light blue, or any of my 6 different web apps, which are all Bootstrap based but have a different Vivaldi coloured frames based on their logo and other interface colouring.

There is a reason why most big brands are fussy about the colours of their logos and image assets. The fact that Vivaldi actually USES that branding in their general UI to further identify that site is a positive move IMO.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

#68

Post by davidp »

setasors wrote: post #61
cyberferret wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL, next you'll be saying that we should replace coloured traffic lights with black and white "STOP" and "GO" signs? I'd suggest you do a Google search on the human ability to discern colour as an indicator way faster than reading text. Especially if on the peripheral vision outside of direct line of sight. NASA and USAF research papers on layouts of aircraft/spacecraft instrumentation etc. too might be helpful to y…

> I'd suggest you do a Google search > on the human ability to discern colour > as an indicator way faster than reading text. "In psychology, the Stroop effect is a demonstration of interference in the reaction time of a task. When the name of a color (e.g., "blue", "green", or "red") is printed in a color that is not denoted by the name (e.g., the word "red" printed in blue ink instead of red ink), naming the color…

Interesting, true; but then repeat the experiment with your peripheral vision.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

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Post by ajmurmann »

netsharc wrote: post #27
ploxiln wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fear this is largely due to modern websites. If you used old Opera on modern websites they would be broken (lack of new features) and still pretty slow. JS and image sizes have gone up exponentially. I remember discussion on Slashdot a decade ago about average page size going above 100KB - now the average is easily into multiple megabytes. It "works fine" in chrome on a macbook pro so who gives fuck, right? We can'…

And nowadays* Chrome unloads "old" tabs from memory, which must be a frustrating user experience for low memory users, open something in a new tab, try to go to the previous tab, and the browser had to load it again. * Maybe they've fixed this Of course it all works on the developer's machine, it has 16GB RAM, full HD screen and a connection straight to the backbone...

Well. To be fair the developer is upset that the MacBook pro doesn't come with 32GB RAM.

Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends

#70

Post by ajmurmann »

tornadoboy55 wrote: post #53
StevePerkins wrote: post #46

I check in on Vivaldi every few months to see how it's coming along, and there are some things that I like. However, I think they're a bit TOO fixated on Opera as it was 15 years ago. I keep waiting for bookmark sync, which today is a fundamental browser feature rather than a nice-to-have. But the Vivaldi guys insist on pouring resources into an integrated desktop email client instead, because that was a signature fe…

> However, it's probably no exaggeration to say that most users haven't used a desktop email client in over a decade. Almost everyone that uses macOS uses Apple Mail. Actually, I prefer that from having to (keep ) open a tab for Gmail.

I wonder if there are actual statistics about this. I only know one person who uses Apple Mail.
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