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I've removed all ad network code from my blog

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Post by cookiecaper »

bjterry wrote: post #265
komali2 wrote: post #187

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On the other hand, this will lead to us only being able to read the blogs and personal websites of people who are able to dip into their own money and time to make and host a blog. I'd be very interested in reading about the life of exactly not that kind of person.

Many of my favorite websites from the old Internet were exactly this, and I think it's sort of a shame that I can no longer find sites like that with Google. For example, I once read a site about this person's journey for the perfect pizza dough. It was obviously a labor of love and he had tried tons of permutations and research into the topic. The site was very web 1.0, presumably doesn't have great SEO, but the guy…

Massive amounts of content are locked away inside the walled gardens of social networks due to our antiquated network access and copyright laws. Most "small content" is being published on these networks instead of directly on the WWW these days.

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Post by dsymonds »

pilom wrote: post #275
rhizome wrote: post #268

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Patreon doesn't work perfectly Where does patreon fail, aside from adoption and popularity?

Patreon has the problem that I can't support someone with $0.50 per month because of transaction costs. Almost all patreon tiers start at $5/month and go up from there. There is a very small percentage of things I use the internet for that I am willing to pay $5/month for.

That's the artist's fault, not Patreon. I've sponsored some artists on Patreon at $1/mo.

I don't think it's a transaction cost issue; Patreon charges my credit card once per month (aggregating multiple $1-3/mo charges into a single charge), and I believe they pay the artists once per month too (aggregating hundreds or thousands of contributions).

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Post by Mz »

fiatjaf wrote: post #4

Ok, you have a sponsorship model that works because you're probably very famous. That doesn't solve anyone's problem, because almost no one is famous. How can we replace ad networks with something better and saner?

You can actually do a tip jar. I probably should stop saying this, because no one pays any attention. Sigh. But, honest, it can be done.

http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/11/how-to-make-...

I don't make a lot of money via tips -- and some of my sites still have ads -- but I make more via tips than ads. I think as I get more traffic, I will get more tips. And I would rather have my audience support my writing than some "sponsor." At some point, I might also do Patreon.

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Post by nickpsecurity »

bazillion wrote: post #161
nickpsecurity wrote: post #81

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After allowing 23 scripts in NoScript, I still don't see anything but a mix of static and animated images. That's not typical in either number of scripts (huge) or brokenness. Attention-grabbing content but execution needs work. The "How It Works" on second link is well-done where I can see exactly what it's supposed to do. The feature itself is nice.

Please try going to https://www.theskinnyconfidential.com/2016/10/28/thehangover... and tell me if that first image shows up with hovers for you.

On that one, I got a Pintrest symbol in upper right corner of the first, two images I tested after allowing a single script with main, site's, domain name in it. Clicking them created a popup asking for login info or something. I'm not a Pintrest user. Was that the intended behavior?

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Post by zenpaul »

I love the direct sponsorship model just because it seems more authentic, which is important for content creators.

Is there a platform for that kind of direct sponsorship? It would be helpful to discover, schedule, manage content, track and handle payments for sponsorships. The platform would be helpful whether the platform serves the ads directly via JS or indirectly via manual or API based content integration.

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Post by arebop »

cookiecaper wrote: post #300
munificent wrote: post #223

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> The answer is clear, it's just not what people want to hear: metered paywalls or a subscription model (or, you know, selling an actual product / service). That basically says the art only worth caring about is art produced by artists who produce a large, consistent volume of work. Any one who produces small things, or infrequent things, falls under the threshold where the perceived effort to set up a subscription o…

The issue is that it's too difficult for readers to have a subscription to everything. Someone needs to come in and make a voluntary content network. Add the extension to your browser and it tracks which sites you spend your time on. Content providers get a payout at the end of the month reflecting the value that readers/subscribers derived that month. If someone without a subscription accesses the page, it will be a…

Sounds like Google Contributor https://support.google.com/contributor/answer/6286709?hl=en

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Post by robryan »

tokenizerrr wrote: post #186
arjie wrote: post #173

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Seems a bit disingenuous to suggest a paywall when the first thing anyone does on this website with a paywalled article is attempt to bypass. Such a bad faith move to say "use a paywall" and then promptly follow it up with "and I'll try to bypass it to access the content".

If a site wishes to implement a paywall that is their right. If they wish to implement a bypass, that is also just fine. They choose to implement this bypass because they wish to be indexed by Google. So why shouldn't we make use of that intentionally implement bypass?

If the paywall can't be bypassed a website won't get linked anywhere and will lose most of it's traffic. The biggest media sites in the world struggle to make this model work.

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Post by nradov »

grzm wrote: post #298
nradov wrote: post #297

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I doubt that would really count as "revenue" under GAAP.

Would you elaborate?

IANAA but generally if they're just processing payments then GAAP revenue would only be the difference between cash in and what they immediately pay out. Think of it in terms of facilitating a transaction and taking a cut of what flows through their hands.

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Post by robryan »

rhizome wrote: post #268
jerf wrote: post #126

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The only problem with Flattr is that it doesn't work. Other than that it's great. I mean this both straight and a bit sarcastically. I'm ideologically inclined to want to see it work. But it doesn't, it hasn't, and I see little reason to expect that to change in the future. Patreon doesn't work perfectly, and perhaps there's an even better model waiting for someone to find it, but it does work. It does strike me as t…

Patreon doesn't work perfectly Where does patreon fail, aside from adoption and popularity?

Patreon requires you to develop a dedicated following and commit to putting out regular content. The Flattr model would allow non regular content creators to be rewarded based on individual pieces of content.

I tend to agree with the comments above that the Flattr model doesn't work, but I think it would certainly be ideal for a lot of people creating content on the side if it did.

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