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Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

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Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

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post #6

Say what you will about government incompetence, but the idea of tying things like my retirement and healthcare to my employer just sounds terrible. Also, auto-enrolling people into 401K sounds kinda like... ya know... social security.

401(k) plans are set up by your employer but any money you put into it and gains are legally yours.

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I'm not planning on Social Security being around by the time I'm old enough to tap into it, and I'm also not planning on having any kids to bail me out when I go senile, so yeah I'm putting a lot into my 401k. I think a lot of people my age (turning 30 next week) are feeling the same way, so I wonder if it's younger workers driving this trend.

I just turned thirty and I can echo your sentiments; I'm saving aggressively and investing across a wide array of assets and tax sheltered accounts with the idea that I may at best retire early and be capable of taking care of myself into old age.

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post #5

Having a somewhat paranoid personality, I find myself wondering if auto-enroll and (especially) auto-escalation - which my job has - are designed with the employee's well-being in mind, or just a ploy to prop up the stock market?

There are a lot of rules in regards to auto-enroll and qualified investments. If you are auto-enrolled, you are going to be in a mix of bonds and stocks appropriate to your age (conservatively), or just a balanced fund. So not really designed to prop the stock market.

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post #3

With more money chasing after the same quantity of equities, I would have thought the market prices would have been going up. But they've been essentially flat over the past year. Even though firms have been buying back their stock. There must be another reason why they've been stagnant.

S&P 500 is up 20% in 2016... not sure what you're talking about.

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post #6

Say what you will about government incompetence, but the idea of tying things like my retirement and healthcare to my employer just sounds terrible. Also, auto-enrolling people into 401K sounds kinda like... ya know... social security.

> Also, auto-enrolling people into 401K sounds kinda like... ya know... social security.

Companies auto enroll people into 401(k) programs because of participation requirements. For "highly paid employees" (i.e. executives) to be allowed to contribute to a 401(k), there requires a minimum level of participation from the rest of the workforce at the company. The easiest way to do so is to auto enroll people on day one.

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post #6

Say what you will about government incompetence, but the idea of tying things like my retirement and healthcare to my employer just sounds terrible. Also, auto-enrolling people into 401K sounds kinda like... ya know... social security.

> Also, auto-enrolling people into 401K sounds kinda like... ya know... social security. Except that you have control over how your 401(k) gets allocated, along with additional ways to access those funds early (with a penalty) in case of emergencies. Furthermore, 401(k)s are explicitly not comingled, whereas the entire premise of Social Security is that the funds are comingled.

Yea, but it also says a lot of people auto invest in target date funds. So essentially it's saying it works better when people just leave it alone.

But yes, I understand your point.

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post #15
post #6

Say what you will about government incompetence, but the idea of tying things like my retirement and healthcare to my employer just sounds terrible. Also, auto-enrolling people into 401K sounds kinda like... ya know... social security.

> Also, auto-enrolling people into 401K sounds kinda like... ya know... social security. Companies auto enroll people into 401(k) programs because of participation requirements. For "highly paid employees" (i.e. executives) to be allowed to contribute to a 401(k), there requires a minimum level of participation from the rest of the workforce at the company. The easiest way to do so is to auto enroll people on day one…

Oh.. thanks for that tidbit. I didn't know there was an incentive for them.

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

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I'm not planning on Social Security being around by the time I'm old enough to tap into it, and I'm also not planning on having any kids to bail me out when I go senile, so yeah I'm putting a lot into my 401k. I think a lot of people my age (turning 30 next week) are feeling the same way, so I wonder if it's younger workers driving this trend.

You think the stock market will be around when you are old enough to need your 401k? I max my contributions but I have no faith they won't be wiped out in some future crash.

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

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Headline is shameless click-bait. Percentage change is much more valuable than absolute dollars. From the article: "An increase in retirement savings of 0.6 percentage points [from 2010 to 2015]".

As the article also says, though, that's a ten percent increase. That's significant.

Re: Americans Are Putting Billions More Than Usual in Their 401(k)s

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I wonder what percentage of 401k contributors has an IRA. General rule of thumb is to contribute enough to 401k to get maximum company matching and max out your Roth IRA contribution first. IRA is generally preferred because you can choose your own fund (e.g. Vanguard) and has more flexibility in certain situations. By having both pre-tax (401k) and post-tax (Roth IRA), you would be also diversifying your tax liability in your retirement.
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