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AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

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Re: AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

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Fraud? If a user wants to automate his browser to click all ads encountered as he surfs, that's fraud?

Yes? I'm honestly not sure how you could think otherwise. This is a clickbot just like any other.

Who is the user defrauding? If they're not the site running the ads, they have no business relationship with the ad company, so the ad company really can't reasonably demand of them to only click certain ads.

Re: AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

#173

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Fraud? If a user wants to automate his browser to click all ads encountered as he surfs, that's fraud?

Fraud is a poor word choice, because it is a legal term. There must be a better word out there.

Attorney here! (But not your attorney and not giving legal advice -- seek qualified counsel in your state if you need assistance.)

Sending automated clicks to ads arguably meets all the elements of common-law fraud:

(1) A false representation of fact (that the user clicked on the ad);

(2) Knowledge of the falsity (by the user installing and using the extension);

(3) Intent to deceive the party by making the false representation (that is the extension's stated purpose!);

(4) Reasonable reliance by the innocent party (by believing the "click" was real and intended);

(5) Actual loss suffered (by paying the owner/operator of the page containing the ad)

In my view, therefore, "fraud" is an applicable term.

Re: AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

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Fraud? If a user wants to automate his browser to click all ads encountered as he surfs, that's fraud?

Yes? I'm honestly not sure how you could think otherwise. This is a clickbot just like any other.

It's arguable. Fraud generally requires intent to result in financial or personal gain. There's no gain here for the user. There's gain for the advertising company at the expense of the company purchasing the advertisements.

But the advertising company is supposed to well-qualify their targets, right? It's on them for serving and charging for advertisements to people who don't want them or will 'click them' regardless of content.

Re: AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

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I run my own email service. I also find search currently very disappointing. Google, Yahoo, duckduckgo? Remember when they were several major indexes? Lycos, Altavista, etc. Today Google actively removes things from their index at the requests of various governments and entertainment industries. We have very little choice in search, leaving much of the web unlocatable.

I don't remember Lycos/Altavista etc rendering anywhere near as much of the web (as a proportion of what existed back then) locatable, having a radical stance on copyright or having less obtrusive ads...

I vividly remember being unable to find anything useful in the first half-dozen pages on Lycos and Altavista and Yahoo and all the others, which is why Google took the entire market when they showed up with PageRank.

Re: AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

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more like "I'm allowed to defend myself from the attacking dog by using the stick." I'm not surprised they want to take my stick away, but that doesn't make Google's actions any less shady.

The dog, in this case, is protecting their property. They're not in your yard, you're in their yard. So get out of their yard if you don't like the dog.

But the internet packets are sent to your computer, so it is your yard that the dog is throwing things at.

Re: AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

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100% assholish on google side to disable side loading for a very specific extension. The good thing of course is that it shows that they are afraid of such an extension.

> The good thing of course is that it shows that they are afraid of such an extension. Seriously. I'd figured they'd filter these "clicks" out easily server-side and didn't bother to install this thing, but this ban has hinted otherwise. I'll be installing it everywhere I can now.

Why such "clicks" would be easy to filter on the server side? What distinguishes them so clearly?

Re: AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

#178

I am curious. I have a question for all of the people who are in favor of AdNauseum. How would you react if a website provider was able to detect that you were using AdNauseum, and they blocked your access to their website? Edit: Expand the question to include other adblockers, not just AdNauseum.

I would first argue that being able to detect the presence of specific extension(s) is leaking too much information about the client to the website but that's probably unrelated.

In principle there's no problem with sites that refuse users that don't view ads, I don't visit them, but I take no issue with them.

However, if I request a remote resource from your site and you transfer it to me, you have no say in what my client chooses to do with it.

Do you think it is unethical, immoral, or should be illegal to pay someone to clip the ads out of a free magazine before I read it?

Re: AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

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How can the Adsense distinguish whether it is AdNauseum clicking or the human clicking?

The extension clicks every ad on a page. This is almost certainly extremely atypical and could be detected.

Seems like there's room for an arms race here, where you tune the extension to only click on some ads, and ultimately approximate legit user behavior as Google keeps cracking down.

Re: AdNauseam Banned from the Google Web Store

#180
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People should still be giving Google shit for decisions like that, even if they're not surprised.

Why does Google deserve the shit for stopping people from taking money from them? I wouldn't think to give a department store shit for pressing charges against someone who smashed up a bunch of merchandise, whether or not the act was politically motivated.

> We wrote Google to ask the reason for this sudden move and they responded that AdNauseam had breached the Web Store’s terms of service, stating that “An extension should have a single purpose that is clear to users…”

They deserve shit for lying.

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