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Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

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Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

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It seems his argument is that information inundation lets stupid ideas live longer than they might otherwise, which is actually pretty wise. It's not necessary to pin it on iPods and XBoxes, but the idea that we need to learn healthy ways to survive information bombardment is neither new nor unwieldy. The historical comparisons are interesting, but I suppose it's one of those questions where technology is available b…

It seems his argument is that information inundation lets stupid ideas live longer than they might otherwise, which is actually pretty wise

I'm not convinced that Obama can distinguish between "stupid ideas" and "ideas which are contrary to the Obama agenda" though. Of course he's hardly unique among politicians for this, but I do think he's less likely than, say, President Bush, to acknowledge the existence of informed and principled opposition to his policies.

It's interesting that the internet has allowed the political right to get organised in a way that it never really has before. The left-wing political protests of the 1960s had universities as their organizational focus, whereas the right never really had any similar way of getting a protest movement off the ground until the internet.

There's only a few quotes from the actual speech given but bits like this:

"You're coming of age in a 24/7 media environment that bombards us with all kinds of content and exposes us to all kinds of arguments, some of which don't always rank all that high on the truth meter"

sound a little to me like a man bitter that the internet is being used to spread arguments disagreeing with his own.

Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

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Excellent; that's some of the most intelligent argument in this area I've seen for a while.

And it is so true. Look st how much time people spend propogating meme's on facebook. Ok so there is always room for us to enjoy banal stuff - but I feel like it is starting to enroach on our lives.

It's like the sivers post from the other day; if only we shared an interesting wikipedia rather than one of those chain emails, conspiracy theories or "questionaires"...

Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

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This makes me sad.

Despite my political opposition to Obama, I thought that he understood the culture of the "IPod, XBox era." In fact, he leveraged these tools of 'diversion' in his campaign (and did so very effectively).

This seems to be the knee-jerk technophobic speech that politicians would have given in the latter half of the 20th Century. Instead of being afraid and resistant to technology (which, as we have seen, is unstoppable anyway), politicians should be encouraging the public to put these technological advances to good use. See: David Cameron's TED talk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ELnyoso6vI).

He highlights a significant point in his speech, as tel says. Being able to deal with all of the information is something that we need to cope with. However, placing the blame on the tools is not the way to go.

Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

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That is a pretty dishonest headline you're using to summarize this article.

The problem is the original headline. The headline makes it sound like Obama is bemoaning iPads and Xboxes. It's sensational, it grabs your attention, and you wonder why he's bemoaning technology. And then you get to the article, which is actually about Obama bemoaning "the fact that "some of the craziest claims can quickly claim traction." Hmmmm.... Text-book irony.

Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

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I'm not sure I agree with the implication that said devices are to blame for this sort of thing. A lot of this problem is just as, or if not even more prevalent in old media. One could argue that more convenient Internet access helps solving the problem by allowing people to do fact-checking for themselves. I know I look up points of contention on wikipedia via my phone in a way that just wasn't possible a couple of years ago.

Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

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post #7

While I support most of the man's political stances, Obama's take on the iPad and console culture is perhaps a smidge hypocritical, given that he is, after all, a known Blackberry addict.

Wait...you're saying that it's not possible to believe that "information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment, rather than the means of emancipation," while still using such devices? If I warn that hammers can smash thumbs, may I still use one without being assailed by charges of hypocrisy?

No, but decrying the harms of cigarettes whilst puffing a mouthful's worth at once would certainly garner grounds for such an accusation.

Re: Obama bemoans 'diversions' of IPod, Xbox era

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This makes me sad. Despite my political opposition to Obama, I thought that he understood the culture of the "IPod, XBox era." In fact, he leveraged these tools of 'diversion' in his campaign (and did so very effectively). This seems to be the knee-jerk technophobic speech that politicians would have given in the latter half of the 20th Century. Instead of being afraid and resistant to technology (which, as we have s…

He's not placing the blame on the tools any more than you or I would bemoan the hours 'lost' to Hacker News. It's a longer view, step back.

We do need to come to grips with the social changes that are occurring and the implications of our present and future digital lives. Our man-made environment isn't the problem, it's our evolutionary memory combined with the phenomenal acceleration of information technology.

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