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Re: Programming languages that are actively developed on GitHub

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Post by OvermindDL1 »

transfire wrote: post #96
kiliankoe wrote: post #91

In the Top 10 there are only two languages which are not self-hosted. Swift with C++ and PHP with C. I know the reasoning for Swift being that it's just not practical at this point reimplementing everything in Swift, but looking at the others it seems to be the norm to self-host your language at some point at least. Is there a reason for this? Is it just a rite of passage or do the maintainers obviously enjoy using t…

> In the Top 10 there are only two languages which are not self-hosted. I don't think that is true. Ruby is written in C, Elixir is built on Erlang and Clojure is built-on Java. In fact the only two I know for sure that are fully self-hosted are Crystal and Julia.

Elixir has a little bit of Erlang in the compiler but at this point it would be fairly trivial to replace it with pure elixir, and most of the compiler is elixir already. However, Elixir does compile down to the EVM/BEAM (Erlang Virtual Machine) without using Erlang as a go-through. I'd argue that Elixir is 'mostly self-hosted'.

Re: Programming languages that are actively developed on GitHub

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Post by guomanmin »

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Re: Programming languages that are actively developed on GitHub

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Post by guomanmin »

Xcelerate wrote: post #8

Interesting to note that Julia comes in at #9 on the list, ahead of Scala, Clojure, and Erlang. I still think it's the most underrated programming language of the decade and hope that its usage continues to grow. I know it's touted as a language for numerical computing and scientific research, but I believe it would make a great general purpose language, perhaps even better than Python. Other than a few minor nitpick…

Participate in an Interview on Experience with Different Git Tools

My name is Angela and I do researches on user experience for different Git tools on the market. I’m kicking off a round of discussions with people who use Git tools. Ideally, I’d like to talk to people that sit on a team of 3 or more.

If this is you, I would love to talk to you about your experience with Git tools, or just some of the pain points that are keeping you up at night when doing your jobs. 

I’ll just need 30 mins of your time, and as a token of my thanks to those that participate, I’d like to offer a US$50 Amazon gift voucher. 


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Re: Programming languages that are actively developed on GitHub

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Post by shakna »

giaour wrote: post #79
ben-schaaf wrote: post #65

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You can't practically bootstrap an interpreted language. That being said, I'd be intrigued to see PHP run using multiple nested interpreters from different language versions.

PyPy is Python implemented largely in Python, and it supposedly is faster than python's C implementation.

Depends on what you define as interpreter, as RPython, the language that PyPy uses, actually has a VirtualMachine, turning PyPy more into a bytecode interpreted language... Which some people argue isn't a straight interpreted language.

Re: Programming languages that are actively developed on GitHub

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Post by kiliankoe »

hacker_9 wrote: post #99
kiliankoe wrote: post #91

In the Top 10 there are only two languages which are not self-hosted. Swift with C++ and PHP with C. I know the reasoning for Swift being that it's just not practical at this point reimplementing everything in Swift, but looking at the others it seems to be the norm to self-host your language at some point at least. Is there a reason for this? Is it just a rite of passage or do the maintainers obviously enjoy using t…

In the case of C#, their previous compiler was built in C/C++ and was apparently very hard to work with. Since rewriting in C# itself, named 'Roslyn', they were able to build it with immutable structures, as well as expose the whole API as a regular C# library. Now they are adding new features all the time and the IDE integration is even better. It's also really powerful for users to just add the lib, and be able to…

This is very interesting, thanks! Makes a lot of sense to support tooling like this.

Re: Programming languages that are actively developed on GitHub

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Post by kitd »

gregpardo wrote: post #116
kitd wrote: post #112

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Well, you could turn it around since Ceylon is older than Kotlin ;) There's not a huge difference between the syntaxes, but IMHO Ceylon integrates better with the general JVM ecosystem. It has an excellent module system and works well with OSGi too. Ceylon + Vert.x is a powerful combo.

I should have done my research. I assumed since Kotlin has large support it has been around longer. Thanks!

I think Ceylon is about a year older, so it's not much. Both arose out of dissatisfaction with Java 7 and below. Whether Java 8 has done enough to stem that, idk. IMHO, nice though they are, there's not enough in the other languages to justify changing ... yet. Javac must be one of the most battle-hardened, mission-critical bits of code in existence.

Re: Programming languages that are actively developed on GitHub

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Post by sytse »

pmontra wrote: post #120
sytse wrote: post #109

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The core team indicated they quite like the sequential numbering that SVN gives them. I'm considering building it into GitLab as an option if they would use it to host ruby :)

I'd like to understand how it could work. For the simple case with a master branch and one feature branche we could number commits as they are merged into master. What about two branches worked on at the same time, with multiple commits and merged to master? If the numbering has to reflect the timestamps of the commits it should be recomputed at every merge which is probably not desirable. However every branch has it…

I think we would number only the master branch. Using soft or hard tags is an option. I've created an issue https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/marketing/issues/747

Re: Programming languages that are actively developed on GitHub

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Post by sytse »

marcinkuzminski wrote: post #119
sytse wrote: post #109

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The core team indicated they quite like the sequential numbering that SVN gives them. I'm considering building it into GitLab as an option if they would use it to host ruby :)

Inspired by Mercurial, we built such functionality for GIT backend in RhodeCode. So the numeric identifiers are used now for all 3 backends we support. Kallithea has it also implemented for GIT. I personally never like the meaningless hashes. Those numbers act as good identifier of project size and progress. It quickly shows what kind of ranges we're taking when doing a compare, or simply looking at files and seeing…

Cool! How do you deal with the issues raised in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13310271 ?

Re: Programming languages that are actively developed on GitHub

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Post by draegtun »

geodel wrote: post #103
kiliankoe wrote: post #91

In the Top 10 there are only two languages which are not self-hosted. Swift with C++ and PHP with C. I know the reasoning for Swift being that it's just not practical at this point reimplementing everything in Swift, but looking at the others it seems to be the norm to self-host your language at some point at least. Is there a reason for this? Is it just a rite of passage or do the maintainers obviously enjoy using t…

I think many of the languages either depend on LLVM, C, C++ or JVM/Java. The only language I think not dependent on either of those is Go where compiler, runtime, GC, crypto etc are all written Go and some assembly.

Another language not dependent on any of those is Red which is currently written in Rebol & Red/System.

NB. At some point Rebol parts will be replaced by Red so making it self hosted.

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