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SpaceVim – Like Spacemacs, but for Vim

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Re: SpaceVim – Like Spacemacs, but for Vim

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

kelnos wrote: post #51
xkxx wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 2 types of "any script you haven't read, or binary you haven't decompiled": 1. scripts and binaries you obtained from somebody you trust in a safe authenticated way; 2. everything else. When I update my Debian distro, I get binaries via HTTP, that's true. But I also have the public keys of my distro's maintainers whom I trust. The authenticity of every binary I download is automatically checked using those…

Do you never install any software outside Debian's main apt repos? Never add a 3rd-party apt repo for anything that maybe you didn't trust as much? Never clone a git/hg/svn/etc. repo from somewhere and build & install the software yourself? Ok, let's say you don't do any of that. The Debian developers are still fallible, and they certainly don't audit the source code of everything they package. Sure, you have to trus…

> The Debian developers ... don't audit the source code of everything ...

Strawman. If an amount of critical code is audited (and it is) it's still much better than nothing.

> I want to know if the script is going to accidentally clobber any existing files

Packages are tested on various hosts and architectures. The packaging system check for files being overwritten and that the package can be removed cleanly Also suspicious things (e.g. unsecure file permissions) are checked. Sandboxing tools are often used to contain daemons.

Furthermore the package content is tracked, while "curl | sh" cannot guarantee that the same script will be received every time or by every user.

Re: SpaceVim – Like Spacemacs, but for Vim

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Post by gravypod »

All these "distrobutions" are going to do is further fragment the already extremely confusing terminal-text-editor world. There are so many configurations that it's never going to make sense to me.

If it was simple, there'd be an answer to this question: how do I setup Vim/Emacs as a fully feature complete IDE for C, C++, Rust, Go, Java, JavaScript (Node or Web), C#?

By feature complete I mean autocomplete, error detection, built in one-button-runs, automatic config/sane defaults.

Keep in mind this is a dream list. It's perfectly fine if the list only includes 2-4 of these languages but it needs to have all of these features.

Looking at this from the outside (people who use IDEs) in (onto the people who use Vim/Emacs) we have maybe 1 IDE/Language and that's confusing for us. I can't imaginge having 3 text editors all of which have different common dotfiles.

Re: SpaceVim – Like Spacemacs, but for Vim

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Post by arnarbi »

jasonm23 wrote: post #74
arnarbi wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a distribution, bundling vim with a whole bunch of plugins and configuration that's supposed to work out of the box. Spacemacs is the same for Emacs.

I wish people stopped calling a shared config a 'distribution' In both Spacemacs and Spacevim, all that's being provided is a config. No runtime, no package manager, no changes to the actual binaries of either app. It's hyperbole.

Is there a clearer more understandable word? Your definition of 'distribution' sounds like something much more specific (changes to binaries?) than mine.

Re: SpaceVim – Like Spacemacs, but for Vim

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Post by eeZah7Ux »

xkxx wrote: post #16

Oh, yeah! Good old curl | sh via HTTP. Fucking awesome. I wonder how many people get unknowingly pwned while executing such curl | sh instructions. It's not hard at all to MitM HTTP, detect if shellcode is being transmitted, then add your own instructions to it. Or you can just compile a list of known sources that encourage to execute curl | sh and MitM only them if you want to make your exploits even more discreet.…

Relevant: https://curlpipesh.tumblr.com/

Re: SpaceVim – Like Spacemacs, but for Vim

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Post by Waterluvian »

gravypod wrote: post #93

All these "distrobutions" are going to do is further fragment the already extremely confusing terminal-text-editor world. There are so many configurations that it's never going to make sense to me. If it was simple, there'd be an answer to this question: how do I setup Vim/Emacs as a fully feature complete IDE for C, C++, Rust, Go, Java, JavaScript (Node or Web), C#? By feature complete I mean autocomplete, error det…

This is generally what roadblocks me when I try to pick up vim. The part I hate about atom is reaching for my mouse. But I like that I didn't have to sacrifice my firstborn to get a sane setup for three langauege simultaneously.

Re: SpaceVim – Like Spacemacs, but for Vim

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Post by gravypod »

Waterluvian wrote: post #96
gravypod wrote: post #93

All these "distrobutions" are going to do is further fragment the already extremely confusing terminal-text-editor world. There are so many configurations that it's never going to make sense to me. If it was simple, there'd be an answer to this question: how do I setup Vim/Emacs as a fully feature complete IDE for C, C++, Rust, Go, Java, JavaScript (Node or Web), C#? By feature complete I mean autocomplete, error det…

This is generally what roadblocks me when I try to pick up vim. The part I hate about atom is reaching for my mouse. But I like that I didn't have to sacrifice my firstborn to get a sane setup for three langauege simultaneously.

I've been using ~5 IDEs for the better part of two years now. I tried to hold my leaning-tower of Eclipse together but that didn't end well. I love Eclipse because it has all of the features I need that many other IDEs don't have yet but at the same time it has one of the worst and least intuative plugin systems (funny how that works out, right?). There's no hope for polyglots I think because nothing will ever be developed for us. Companies are usually Java, Scala, Python, JS shops and there isn't much a need for mutli-language tooling but sadly that's what most of what I need.

Re: SpaceVim – Like Spacemacs, but for Vim

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Post by justinmk »

leblancfg wrote: post #75

Tried Spacemacs 3-4 times because of org mode. Most specifically inline code block execution, through org-babel. Still not ready to change over from vim, though. What I haven't done is check neovim. Any comments regarding the potential for inline code execution?

> Any comments regarding the potential for inline code execution?

Try codi.vim for REPL-like eval:

https://github.com/metakirby5/codi.vim

Re: SpaceVim – Like Spacemacs, but for Vim

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Post by Philipp__ »

the_duke wrote: post #80
Philipp__ wrote: post #43

I don't get Spacemacs hype. I tried it, and never felt comfortable using it. Started with blank .emacs.d, yeah I completely cleard whole configuration two or three times until I hit sweetspot. Now I'm sitting on ~250 loc config on vanilla emacs (including evil), and eveything works like a charm. Plus I learned a lot about elisp. I never liked those bundles and distributions. They always felt redundant, but I can unde…

I would probably spend more than 100 hours until I got to a point of equivalence with SpaceMacs, starting from a plain emacs. Especially since I use quite a few different languages. Ain't nobody got time for that...

The point is how much of Spacemacs you end up using?! And in which languages you work? Because, what consumes your time is not setup, with use-package setup becomes trivial really, what sucks you in is learning the plugins and how they work (cider, ensime, alchemist, magit, merlin, those are serious environments not just syntax/autocomplete plugins). Idk if they come with spacemacs, I doubt it, but what then makes the difference if they come with Spacemacs or not, since most of the time you will spent on learning them, and not setting them up.

Spacemacs is so customized that it is like learning new editor from ground up, at least for me. Last year I spent solely using and learning Emacs, to the point where every command and keybinds made sense, before that I used Vim for years. After one year of training I decided to install EVIL, and now I am enjoying Emacs and Vim a lot. Yesterday I downloaded spacemacs, opened it and I was like, ugh, wtf now?! I just go overwhelmed by the amount of preexisting code which I did not understand, and needed to crash a lot of hours to get everything from ground zero.

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