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Re: Finding an Alternative to Mac OS X

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How is windows 10 consistent? Half the apps are metro ones that fullscreen (pdf viewer) and half are still win32. Some work well on touch screen others horribly. Windows 10 is a frankenOS.

Hello, time traveler from 2012 who is actually describing Windows 8.

Nope, I skipped windows 8 almost entirely. I'm talking about windows 10 in 2016, it's still a kludged together mess of a touch based mobile OS and a full desktop OS.

Re: Finding an Alternative to Mac OS X

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post #306

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How is windows 10 consistent? Half the apps are metro ones that fullscreen (pdf viewer) and half are still win32. Some work well on touch screen others horribly. Windows 10 is a frankenOS.

Hello, time traveler from 2012 who is actually describing Windows 8.

Just look at the control panels, there's actually two of them in Windows 10, one Metro, and one win32. Some settings are only available in one, some only in the other.

Re: Finding an Alternative to Mac OS X

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> In my view, Windows 10 is still miles away in consistency across the entire system In my view GNU/Linux distributions are still miles away from Windows 10 in consistency across the entire system.

How is windows 10 consistent? Half the apps are metro ones that fullscreen (pdf viewer) and half are still win32. Some work well on touch screen others horribly. Windows 10 is a frankenOS.

> How is windows 10 consistent?

Windows 10 isn't a good example of consistency, but every GNU/Linux distribution I have seen is much worse.

Re: Finding an Alternative to Mac OS X

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> In my view, Windows 10 is still miles away in consistency across the entire system In my view GNU/Linux distributions are still miles away from Windows 10 in consistency across the entire system.

In my experience, GNU/Linux distros do not usually include 3 seperate GUI settings windows with completely differing GUI's just to manage devices.

> In my experience, GNU/Linux distros do not usually include 3 seperate GUI settings

I have never seen a GNU/Linux distribution where I didn't have to configure some things via modification of configuration files in a text editor. Even these two differences (GUI vs. text file editing) is much more different than a few different design styles in Windows' control panel. Also the way settings are set in configuration files is IMHO even more different among different GNU/Linux applications than the different design styles in Windows' control panel.

Re: Finding an Alternative to Mac OS X

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I'm kind of in the same boat, and I'm slowly, gradually, replacing my Macs with both Windows and Linux devices. As somebody with zero investment in earlier Windows versions, I quite loved Windows 8, and found Windows 10 to be a step back from that, but still a good alternative to the Mac. There are also various different Linux systems that make great desktop operating systems.

Reading the linked article, I have some observations, particularly about the requirements Wesley lists:

> One tool for each job.

This strikes me as a somewhat peculiar requirement. The Mac certainly doesn't work that way, particularly since OS X, and as long as the different tools available aren't hurting you, their availability won't be much of a problem.

> A sensible/minimal selection of pre-installed applications.

To me, a more useful requirement would be "no bloatware". Linux distros in particular often come with a ton of pre-installed applications, but they are generally good applications, and having them does not cause any harm.

If you buy a Windows computer, on the other hand, you'll likely find its installed Windows version to be borderline unusable due to all of the preinstalled manure.

> Simple, easy to use/understand interface

As somebody who has used Macs since the early 90s, I'd argue that ever since Mac OS X, the Mac hasn't really offered that. It's still ahead of most Windows versions (excluding perhaps Windows 8, but clearly including Windows 10, which sadly has reintroduced much of the clutter from earlier Windows versions), but many Linux distros are now much cleaner and simpler than OS X (both Elementary and Pixel come to mind as examples of this).

So to some degrees, Wesley is requiring these operating systems to offer things that the Mac hasn't truly offered since the late 90s. This is not entirely unfair; as a Mac user, he's used to the Mac's oddities and flaws, and so it is perhaps useful to require the system he's switching to to be better than Mac OS in some respects.

Still, I think it's fair to point out that the Mac itself probably couldn't easily fulfill all of these requirements.

Re: Finding an Alternative to Mac OS X

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That's probably the only thing that truly irritates me about Windows these days. Everything else is just a design decision that, as a technical user, I am easily able to adapt to. But not knowing if my machine is going to decide to reboot itself at any random moment without me having the option to stop it from doing that? Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable. I know you should save often and bad things can happen li…

>> But not knowing if my machine is going to decide to reboot itself at any random moment without me having the option to stop it from doing that? Unacceptable. Completely unacceptable. First of all you can set the time interval when the Windows will be able to update https://i.imgur.com/BZNadeE.png And even if you are working in this time Windows ask you what do you prefer - reboot now or later. I'am not Windows fan…

Yes, you can set what time it will reboot, but you can't set it to "never", or even "next week". And the pop-up to reboot does not take control of the screen, so if you're doing something full screen like a game or a Powerpoint presentation, you miss it and have to wait for the reboot. Even if you're in front of a client.

When I'm done with my work for the day on Windows and I go to bed, I'm never sure if everything will still be there when I wake up. Far too often I wake up and I'm at a login screen with all of my active windows and documents closed. That's incredibly disruptive, and there's no way to stop that.

There is no way to tell Windows 10 "don't reboot until I explicitly ask you to do so".

Re: Finding an Alternative to Mac OS X

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If a Macbook sshing into your work computer is good enough, why isn't a Windows laptop sshing into your work computer?

Well a built-in x Server for connecting to your development systems would be nice - which both OSX and Windows 10 Lack. And I do mean Server as X Windows switches the common usage of client and sever.

XQuartz works just fine

Re: Finding an Alternative to Mac OS X

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Where's the commentary on FreeBSD? It certainly seems like the right idea (to replace OS X), but I want to know their experience.

It's coming in a follow up post. I should publish it in the next few days.

Since you're looking for a desktop OS, you should test PC-BSD instead of pure FreeBSD.

Re: Finding an Alternative to Mac OS X

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> i3 is great, until you try to do something simple like change the time zone for your desktop clock or add some wallpaper. I switched from Linux to Mac because I was too well acquainted with making symlinks to /usr/share/ somewhere just to change my clock when I traveled, and then figuring out just how few processes I had to restart so it would take effect. Systemd makes using i3 so much easier. No more fiddling wit…

Most people hate systemd for the sake of hating something, or following the hate train. At least for me all my close encounters with it have been positive.

A lot of people don't like systemd because it heavily violates the unix principle of "do one thing and do it well". It replaces a lot of subsystems (eg: goodbye to all your old ways of looking at logs). Also, the primary developers have a poor attitude.

Systemd is relatively nice now, but the disdain for it wasn't just 'hate train'.

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