First China-U.K. Freight Train Departs as Xi Seeks to Lift Trade
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Re: First China-U.K. Freight Train Departs as Xi Seeks to Lift Trade
#2Does anyone know how the train compares to ships wrt CO2/kg shipped? I'm sure the train comes out on top, but by how much?
Also, how frequently could one of those trains run?
Re: First China-U.K. Freight Train Departs as Xi Seeks to Lift Trade
#3Does anyone know how the train compares to ships wrt CO2/kg shipped? I'm sure the train comes out on top, but by how much? Also, how frequently could one of those trains run?
Not sure about CO2 impact, but one problem is that these trains are running pretty empty back to china (china doesn't want to import so much from Europe by rail). I think they are running 50 trains a year, with a heavy subsidy to make it affordable (half the cost).
Re: First China-U.K. Freight Train Departs as Xi Seeks to Lift Trade
#4Does anyone know how the train compares to ships wrt CO2/kg shipped? I'm sure the train comes out on top, but by how much? Also, how frequently could one of those trains run?
Price would also be good to know. If it is 1/100 of the price, then 100 trains could be run for every boat.
Re: First China-U.K. Freight Train Departs as Xi Seeks to Lift Trade
#5Does anyone know how the train compares to ships wrt CO2/kg shipped? I'm sure the train comes out on top, but by how much? Also, how frequently could one of those trains run?
Price would also be good to know. If it is 1/100 of the price, then 100 trains could be run for every boat.
This article says train is ~50% of air. According to this quick google that makes the cost range a 3x to 18x of sea freight cost.
https://www.transporteca.com/transportpedia/sea-freight-air-...
Re: First China-U.K. Freight Train Departs as Xi Seeks to Lift Trade
#6Does anyone know how the train compares to ships wrt CO2/kg shipped? I'm sure the train comes out on top, but by how much? Also, how frequently could one of those trains run?
Price would also be good to know. If it is 1/100 of the price, then 100 trains could be run for every boat.
Looks like its cheaper than boat...
http://richardtorian.blogspot.com/2012/01/cost-per-ton-mile-...
Re: First China-U.K. Freight Train Departs as Xi Seeks to Lift Trade
#7I would guess that this is rolling out just for the PR, the sheer number of trains needed to replace one decent sized container ship just makes this all prohibitive to ever replace much sea freight plus launching when there is a glut of container ships floating around as well, which is keeping the price lower than most ship owners can breakeven. Ok so it's quicker, but it's not that quick.
The only winners would be the goods owners who are winning form short term lower prices - is that enough for a long term business?
Re: First China-U.K. Freight Train Departs as Xi Seeks to Lift Trade
#8Does anyone know how the train compares to ships wrt CO2/kg shipped? I'm sure the train comes out on top, but by how much? Also, how frequently could one of those trains run?
Not sure about CO2 impact, but one problem is that these trains are running pretty empty back to china (china doesn't want to import so much from Europe by rail). I think they are running 50 trains a year, with a heavy subsidy to make it affordable (half the cost).
One thing China likes to import from uk: tourists
Re: First China-U.K. Freight Train Departs as Xi Seeks to Lift Trade
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure about CO2 impact, but one problem is that these trains are running pretty empty back to china (china doesn't want to import so much from Europe by rail). I think they are running 50 trains a year, with a heavy subsidy to make it affordable (half the cost).
One thing China likes to import from uk: tourists
They usually fly though.
Re: First China-U.K. Freight Train Departs as Xi Seeks to Lift Trade
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Price would also be good to know. If it is 1/100 of the price, then 100 trains could be run for every boat.
Looks like its cheaper than boat... http://richardtorian.blogspot.com/2012/01/cost-per-ton-mile-...
This would make sense. I remember reading about a company adding kites/sails to some shipping vessels to help reduce fuel costs. Even when ships match the sea current, you still need a lot of fuel to keep that inertia in the ocean. With trains you're talking about the rolling friction of metal on metal.
Even if it didn't out preform ships, it outperforms trucks. That would feed the market for faster shipping of small volumes vs slower shipping of larger orders.