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>In every single case, we had no additional trouble hiring a Lisp or Lisp-capable programmer as compared to hiring for any other language, including Python Doesn't that imply an over-supply? I did my grad research on a highly specialized topic, involving plenty of math/physics. Then I worked in industry applying my skills for 4 years. Then I switched to programming - nothing related to my engineering degrees. This jo…

Does it indicate over-supply? Maybe, but it's probably a bit more complicated than that. There is a very large supply of self-proclaimed Python programmers. (There's no official accreditation of this, of course, so we can only go by self-proclamation.) But this is unlike, say, raw materials supply for building a bridge. A lot---and by "a lot", I mean enough to be noticed when hiring---of the "Python programmer supply…

>As for software jobs in the domain of math/physics/etc., they're out there, but just harder to seek out.

I'm well aware of that. However, my experience is the working conditions are poor. Some do have a higher salary, but everything else seemed worse.

Also, not entirely related, but it does suck more when you're working on a very challenging problem, and can't fully crack it on the company's desired schedule. You get negative feedback with veiled threats about losing your job. When you're in that situation, and realize that you can get a much easier job with similar pay, you have to ask yourself whether the risk of working a "science" job is worth the rewards.

It was all fun in grad school, where the deadlines were much looser and you're not worrying about saving for family, retirement, etc. But it really sucks if your livelihood is at stake merely because you wanted the thrill of working on a more challenging problem.

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I've been falling back in love with Forth, and specifically SwiftForth https://www.forth.com/swiftforth/ the full source code to everything comes with the paid version, and you can literally change everything. So much saner and cleaner in implementation than shitstorms like Go, GCC, LLVM, and Java.

What do you use it for? I had tried it some years ago during a vacation, and liked it. Not used it for any production thing.

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BLISS. The system programming language for PDP and VAX computers from Digital Equipment Corporation. Think "high-level assembly language". Powerful, elegant, simple, totally unforgiving. The world's most powerful chainsaw, without a chain guard.

What are you using it for?

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Perl is one of those languages that nobody likes at my work, but that is impossible to get rid of. Java is in the same boat, but at least it's still marketable so engineers don't mind working with it as much.

I think developers have moved on to reinventing Perl in JavaScript. Ever since I saw "use strict"; in a .js file my eyes have not stopped rolling. Personally, I'd choose Perl over JavaScript, Python or Ruby any day of the week but I'd lose all my hipster cred.

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BLISS. The system programming language for PDP and VAX computers from Digital Equipment Corporation. Think "high-level assembly language". Powerful, elegant, simple, totally unforgiving. The world's most powerful chainsaw, without a chain guard.

What are you using it for?

With that description, I hope street cred

Re: Ask HN: What “old” programming languages will you still be using in 2017?

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ColdFusion/CFML. All day, every day. Although a heavy dose of the newer hotness and the eventual migration of everything I work with off of it is in the works. Still enjoy working with it though. Very productive.

I still maintain a ColdFusion based site and am looking into building a new project using Mura. It's actually a fantastic CMS both from a developer and non-technical user perspective.

Re: Ask HN: What “old” programming languages will you still be using in 2017?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any suggestions for a bash scripting tutorial to help me better connect the dots? Over the years I've learned some nifty one-liners, but I'm not really familiar enough with the patterns and art of of command-line thinking to solve my own problems in bash. Most of the bash resources I've found online are just loosely organized collections of magic spells. I'd really like to get better at it though.

[Shameless plug] Not too long ago, I wrote a small book that tries to address those kinds of questions, i.e. how to use Bash to solve problems instead of 1-liners. You may find it useful: http://adventuresindatascience.com

The book starts with: "Following the 2008 US elections, all eyes turned to Nate Silver... "

And goes on from there ;)

Re: Ask HN: What “old” programming languages will you still be using in 2017?

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ColdFusion/CFML. All day, every day. Although a heavy dose of the newer hotness and the eventual migration of everything I work with off of it is in the works. Still enjoy working with it though. Very productive.

Seems only two of us here.

One more here. Still build a lot in CF.
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