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That high minimum wages cause more unemployment is not a settled question, and there is research that suggests that this is, in fact, a myth.
That sounds rather unlikely. What would prevent the result of dividing revenue by hours worked from falling between 8 and perhaps 14? In quantum physics there's lots of hand waving, some of it true, about inaccessible states and distinct energy levels and such, but no explanation how that could apply to revenue numbers or timeclock numbers or the division operator or some mysterious combination. There might be a very…
‘Routine’ Jobs Are Disappearing
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The prejudice and stereotyping here is ridiculous, but honestly, I think something that needs to happen (for a variety of reasons) is for the term "nurse" to be retired, and replaced with something like "medical associate". The nursing profession is extraordinarily important, and we underutilize it in this country. Most of us should be talking to "nurses" much more frequently than we do, and much more often than we t…
What's wrong with nurse? It has a quite specific meaning. Changing it medical associate just makes it less precise. What's needed is for sexism to be eradicated everywhere; changing the names is not going to do that.
The market as a whole needs to come to the understanding that we (a) need a kind of "doctor-lite" for people to go see, and (b) that we have them already: we call them nurses, but should call them something else.
Not many people feel they can switch careers in mid-life to become a doctor. But people routinely go to nursing school for a career switch. It would be good if more people did this, specifically to get NP status.
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Please try not to put words in the mouths of your opponents; it doesn't help anyone. Address their concerns, give them a new perspective, and try to understand why they really disagree with you. Despite your intuitions, you are not a better person than all 61.9 million Trump voters (or all 63.6 million Clinton voters).
I'm not "putting" words in his mouth. I have watched all 3 debates, a few televised rallies he did during the primaries. I also pay attention to his twitter feed. My "intuitions" indicate that he attacked an Indiana union leader over not doing enough and being laggard. Oh, that's not an intuition, that's a recorded fact. There's plenty other places I could cite from. But the underlying idea here, is that you don't be…
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If the holes are being put to productive use by the people demanding them, then sure. Given how little HN likely understands about agriculture, I'd be wary of trying to use "hole digging" as a kind of absurd example. But this also illustrates how dumb it is to single out elder care as somehow economically unproductive. We pay for elder care because we desperately want our elder family members to be comfortable . If t…
> The availability of elder care services in the marketplace doesn't constitute a "gerontocracy". that's not what I said and you're now arguing against a strawman. I said that retraining of displaced laborers to be elder-care service providers is moving in the direction of gerontracracy, and that if the trend is extrapolated enough (perhaps to the point of absurdity, but I was making a speculative point, not a commen…
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"spiritually corrosive to individuals and society" seems less of a fact and more of a narrow personal opinion. I personally don't consider caring for the elderly as a corrosive/demeaning job.
a person who _wants_ to be an elder-care service provider will not find it spiritually corrosive. a person who is forced to re-train to work in elder care because the job they used to perform was automated/off-shored is much more likely to find it spiritually corrosive. a young person seeking employment at the beginning of their career might find it deeply troubling as well (assuming there were not enough good altern…
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#176"To counter these trends, the U.S. must invest in raising the skills of the workers most likely to be affected by the disappearance of routine jobs..." Not sure how's that going to play out for example a welding machine operator can't become a mechanical engineer in a short span of time because those routine jobs are eventually going to be consumed by automated robots, per this study. Why not motivate people to look…
Engineering and Medecine seem to be the only safe places atm.
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Engineering and Medecine seem to be the only safe places atm.
I don't know about that. Among my peers that went into engineering there are concerns of a shrinking job market for specific specialties like civil engineering or chemical engineering...
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I'm not "putting" words in his mouth. I have watched all 3 debates, a few televised rallies he did during the primaries. I also pay attention to his twitter feed. My "intuitions" indicate that he attacked an Indiana union leader over not doing enough and being laggard. Oh, that's not an intuition, that's a recorded fact. There's plenty other places I could cite from. But the underlying idea here, is that you don't be…
Please don't take HN threads into garden-variety partisan battle. That's not what this site is for.
My flagkilled post expands greatly on the sentiment of that commentary. The fact of the matter is, people with low income are not targeted(for the most part) by entrepreneurs. Along the same idea, those very people have little to no input in the economy ~ they are non-entities. I've seen plenty of posts discussing this very fact to people digging around for an idea to exploit... and the general consensus is "stay away from poor people, they have no money".
And yes, I have disdain towards Trump, and a lesser extent, republicans. I've also shared previous disdain towards democrats as well.
But the crux here is, what is to be done with low income people with limited skills? It costs money/time for skills, which they have little of. What's the downside of writing them off? (Obviously, dang is doing his work on UBI, and throwing away millions of people isn't my point in this discussion.)
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What's an example of the former?
The USA is really large, similar to the old story about blind men encountering an elephant and having ridiculous observations about elephants based on their very limited experience of elephants. Likewise work work work is a coastie thing specifically the worst infection is in New England although its getting worse out west. Away from the coasts nobody is looked down on for joining the military for a couple years or t…
Hell, I'm looked down at by my in-laws because IT isn't 'real work.'
Choose to try to learn how to play an instrument, or some other artistic endeavor and the first thing everyone will ask you is 'how do you plan to make money with that?' You'll get a lot of 'that's nice dear, but how do you intend to live.' You will be met with nothing but condescension because you are not perusing work. Stick with not working and you'll be 'that weirdo down the street.'
> ready to settle down
And work like an adult because you're not an adult and worthy of being treated like one until you work.
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#180There are a fair number of comments dismissing this issue with a "retrain or get left behind" and expressing not a lot of sympathy for those who don't. Remember, the average IQ in the US is just below 100[1]. Exactly what kind of jobs do you expect to retrain these people for? And how are they equipped to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps? Most of these jobs provided on the job training or apprenticeships so…
If the two options are retraining vs an overhaul of the economic system, I think retraining is much more likely. No one wants to change careers. I certainly don't. But the economic realities are what they are. It would be nice to change the economy with basic income or government work programs, both of which I'm in favor of. I just don't see how that will realistically happen in the next 10-15 years. So we need to ma…
But making training the new norm will require big changes to the status quo of how companies retain skilled employees.
First, we need a much better model for skill credentialism. College degrees are way too slow, too broad, and rarely meet the specific immediate needs of business. Some sort of microdegree equal to 1-4 college courses (and more substantial than today's pop MOOCs) sound about right. But their instruction model also needs to be much more flexible and time-insensitive, so working people aren't locked into semester-based schedules. And student social interaction in MOOCs needs to be much improved over the 1990-era forum message chains I've seen.
Second, we need to encourage employers to spend money and time for retraining. And in return, we need to assure them their newly-skilled employee won't soon take their newfound skills and hop to a better paying job. This requires a contract like those between employees/unions and employers in Europe, but largely absent in the US.
Third, employees probably will have to change jobs more frequently. Thus the system needs to make these job hops smoother, steadying employee cashflow to support long-term debt like mortgages, and minimize risks like making health care coverage liquid and independent of employers.
Unfortunately such big changes will require all involved -- employees, educators, insurers, and employers -- to discard their venerated focus on short-term ROI and cost reduction. Unfortunately existing US practices seem almost perfectly unprepared to act gracefully and quickly. While in contrast, Germany, with its longstanding state support for low-cost education, mobile health insurance, union-business partnerships, and skilled jobs that don't require college degrees, seems ideally positioned.
And of course all this has to happen pretty quickly, while we John Henrys can still compete with the machines.