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Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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>...and even individuals who want to start a farm. As a person who lives in a farming area this seems like putting a computer and a box of red bull in a box and labeling it "computer programmer kit". I'm not a farmer but things like crop rotation, regulations, WHIMIS (pesticides/herbicides), dangers such as the PTO on the tractor and other farm dangers all needed training. You see at least once per year some farm han…

> this seems like putting a computer and a box of red bull in a box and labeling it "computer programmer kit".

Computer programmer kits like this exist and are called "bootcamps."

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$60,000 seems like a lot of amount for starving and underdeveloped areas. I went to their funding page and read more about what's inside the "box" https://republic.co/farm-from-a-box 1: micro-drip irrigation system 2: 3kW solar power 3: Pumping System 4: IOT setup 5: Energy management 6: Basic farm tools As of 2016, average cost of solar power is approximately $3.00 per watt so ~ $9K. I have installed a decent sized…

For fun, I was looking at cheap (compared to San Francisco) land with no infrastructure in Wyoming. 1 acre of land, $10K USD. Drilling a water well that might work, $5K to $30K.

Wyoming?! That's our backyard. Drop by our office sometime! [1] Our CEO ran a CSA for a few years here in Wyoming. Places like Wyoming have cheap land, but there are some tricks to doing farming up here.

1: https://brightagrotech.com/

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Without profits investors and shareholders won't invest. Indeed, you could consider investors and shareholders in a similar manner to workers and lenders; investors provide money and in exchange the company gives them profits.

> Indeed, you could consider investors and shareholders in a similar manner to workers and lenders; investors provide money and in exchange the company gives them profits. To clarify: Investors provide money once and in exchange the company gives them (or whomever they transfer the stock to) profits forever . Is there any model which allows a structure for stocks to expire after a reasonable period (10-20 years but i…

Many. Loans. Or a lot of infrastructure development has been funded through leases where the leaseholder under contract develops or funds development of the infrastructure in return for the right to extract value from it for a predefined time. E.g. a lot of hydro development in Norway happened by offering investors a multi-decades lease on the commercial exploitation of a given waterfall, on the condition that they covered the cost of developing a damn and power plant.

The problem is the level of risk. With something well understood like a waterfall, there was still plenty of risk (dry years etc.; fluctuations in demand and cost; natural disasters), but it is risk that is reasonably easy to quantify within sufficient levels to insurance against part of it, and cover the rest by asking for sufficiently beneficial leasing terms to make it attractive without a permanent share.

But with a startup with a new model, the risk is extremely hard to quantify other than assuming it is high. That'll make investors demand a lot more.

Plenty of companies are funded through bank loans or other forms or debts or leases or have the financial power to demand buy-back clauses, but they're usually "boring" companies where returns are stable-ish or at least very well understood.

(that said, I did once work at a company where we partnered with a German tech company that had been built on the back of bank loans; it took an extreme level of financial discipline - the bank paid out in monthly tranches on the basis evidence they'd stuck to their very detailed plans; basically they'd put in a massive effort to de-risk a business that would normally be too risky for most banks)

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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I probably spent $50k in my first two years on my farm. * 30 HP tractor - $14k * brushhog, back blade, cone spreader, log splitter - $3k * 1,000 ft^2 greenhouse - $5k * water to greenhouse - $5k * haying equipment (baler, tedder, disk mower, rake) - $5.5k * buckets, pails, tubs, lights, etc for livestock - $1k * hoses, hand tools, etc. - $1k * drip irrigation, raised beds, soil tests, etc. - $1k * fencing materials -…

The kit is for 2 acres. Probably no brush hog, log splitter, hay equipment or tractor.

I have 2 acres, crops, fowl, livestock. No log splitter. I borrow the hay equipment. The tractor is practically a must. It's easy to own 2 acres. Making it useful requires equipment or many persons of manual labor. a 25-30 hp tractor is very reasonable.

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Well that is what I'm wondering. One of the big issues is real estate. I wonder if it would be more viable instead of just going 2D to make a more 3D system (ie stack plants ala hydroponics). Obviously the sun is way more efficient and preferred but if you live in an area where the sun isn't exactly available that much of the year it might be worth it for some automated easy to use large indoor like closet system or…

As much as it's fun to think about, food doesn't need to be grown in urban areas with expensive real estate. Green houses and hydroponics are great, but they can just as well be done on cheap land. The biggest difficulty in food production isn't land, water, and sunlight - its management at scale. This is why the vast majority of everyone's calories comes from large tractor managed commodity crops. As a metaphor, the…

> food doesn't need to be grown in urban areas with expensive real estate.

It doesn't need to. But there's an increasing push towards looking for ways to cut the environmental effects of farming, and there transport is part of the challenge. There's also an increasing push for cutting time to market, despite traditional farms being further and further away from most consumers.

Hydroponics in urban areas is likely to converge on the mass market from two directions: Environmentalists looking for options that cut land use and transport, and up-market foodies willing to pay extra for products that are "straight from the farm two doors down" in the middle of a city.

Whether it eventually will get cost effective enough to supplant normal farms is another matter.

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I think the problem here is going to be with the agricultural industry. If major industry leaders perceive these as a threat to their operations, it's likely that they will lobby congress to either regulate these our of existence, or somehow just make them flat out illegal.

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$60,000 seems like a lot of amount for starving and underdeveloped areas. I went to their funding page and read more about what's inside the "box" https://republic.co/farm-from-a-box 1: micro-drip irrigation system 2: 3kW solar power 3: Pumping System 4: IOT setup 5: Energy management 6: Basic farm tools As of 2016, average cost of solar power is approximately $3.00 per watt so ~ $9K. I have installed a decent sized…

A little OT, but I'm wanting to put together a drip system in our yard. Any resources you'd recommend/found very helpful?

I live in the Pacific Northwest, so am thinking about installing a cistern/rain water collection center, then putting together a drip system for planter beds that we'll be installing.

Thank you!

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> All of those things affect the ultimate price of the box, and that’s why we have a range from about $50,000 to $60,000. If you were to a la carte all the different components that we put into this kit, it would end up costing you more than what we’re charging. I seriously doubt that. $50k for what appears to basically be 2 acres of irrigation equipment and a solar-powered raspberry pi is absurd. It also looks like…

My scam senses were tingling before I got to the comments. Most likely this is a routine NGO/EDU/Gov scam backed by an aggressive and shiny sales approach.

This is not a scam. This is the real deal, with years of research and testing behind it. Disclaimer: I know one of the principals directly.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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There really are different 'cliques' on HN, depending on which subject is posted. And this one seems to be the 'not so positive' clique. If framework is bench marked, or if people create a great CSS suite and animations, you get (mostly) constructive criticism. A company is actually doing something about bigger issues which could positively affect the lives of many people in a sustainable way ... and we get this. I'm…

There are quite a few of us here with some farm experience that simply don't think this product ads up. Its like posting an article about a $50k Linux distro aimed at coffee shops.

I understand this, and maybe it's an opportunity for you to find out more about them considering your expertise.

Following your fact finding quest you could then post a detailed blog about your analysis for other HN'ers to read. I would be glad to read such a review with facts and figures explaining objectively what is wrong (or right!) about the proposed product.

Keep us posted!

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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$60,000 seems like a lot of amount for starving and underdeveloped areas. I went to their funding page and read more about what's inside the "box" https://republic.co/farm-from-a-box 1: micro-drip irrigation system 2: 3kW solar power 3: Pumping System 4: IOT setup 5: Energy management 6: Basic farm tools As of 2016, average cost of solar power is approximately $3.00 per watt so ~ $9K. I have installed a decent sized…

You also get the container too, which they say expands in size.
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