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Re: GNU Emacs 23.2 released

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Post by jrockway »

swah wrote: post #9
geocar wrote: post #6

The NEWS file http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/NEWS.23.2 is more helpful. * CEDET http://cedet.sourceforge.net/ is now part of emacs(!!!) * RMAIL now uses mbox

js.el is a new major mode for JavaScript files. I think js2.el (Steve Yegge) was combined with javascript.el to make a new mode. Might be interesting...

No, it's espresso, not js2. But don't worry, that was the only sane Javascript mode; js2 is like its own program, completely independent of Emacs. Cool, but useless for real work.

espresso/js actually works like Emacs, and it doesn't try to treat Javascript as a dialect of C anymore.

Re: GNU Emacs 23.2 released

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Post by jrockway »

reneky wrote: post #17
Xurinos wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Viewing/modifying a fasta file containing human chromosome data - Extremely large log files Why not use less? Because it's ugly and does not allow me to edit or copy specific sections out. I like having the full power of a good text editor at my back. I have brought this concern up before, and the excuse I heard was, "Well, you should not have to work with files that large." Seems someone in emacs-land disagrees; n…

> I understand emacs's architectural reasoning for it -- and that is a choice. I think the choice they make is to spend their very limited time on more useful features. I'm sure many of the core Emacs developers would be very happy if someone would fix this limitation. It would be a very invasive change, a fair amount of work.

Any change on 32-bit machines will require special CPU instructions, massive Lisp slowdowns, or massive integer math slowdowns.

Considering you can't even buy a new 32-bit machine anymore, however, I don't really see this as a major problem.

Re: GNU Emacs 23.2 released

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Post by albertzeyer »

albertzeyer wrote: post #26
__david__ wrote: post #3

Mac OS X users can get a binary at http://emacsformacosx.com/ .

Crashes here (on 10.5) with: Exception Type: EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP) Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000002, 0x0000000000000000 Crashed Thread: 0 Dyld Error Message: unknown required load command 0x80000022 I guess it is for 10.6 only?

I wrote him a mail. It was not by purpose. He will check that later.

Re: GNU Emacs 23.2 released

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Post by chbarts »

Tycho wrote: post #40
snorkel wrote: post #30

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It's a fair question. Emacs is one of few editors left that makes it possible to work on multiple files at once without taking your hands off the keyboard. No fumbling with the mouse. Watch someone who has mastered Emacs edit some code and you'll understand its appeal.

Hmm, I'm still not quite sure I 'get it.' For instance, your comment, 'no fumbling with the mouse' confuses me. I've always viewed the mouse as something that saves time, a shortcut to where you want to go or what you want to do. Especially on a Mac with non-maximized windows and Exposé mapped to a mouse button, I've never felt like I was 'fumbling.' I guess I'll ask an Emacs user to demonstrate next time I meet one.

For Emacs and Vim users, using the mouse is a context switch: It forces the brain to move from the keyboard context to the more tactile mouse context. That is annoying.

There are some people who claim, correctly, that the mouse is usually faster than the keyboard. They (probably) don't realize that's a strawman argument: I don't care about speed, I care about convenience. I'm quite willing to burn a few milliseconds for the sake of a more consistent user interface.

Re: GNU Emacs 23.2 released

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Post by holygoat »

albertzeyer wrote: post #53
albertzeyer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crashes here (on 10.5) with: Exception Type: EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP) Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000002, 0x0000000000000000 Crashed Thread: 0 Dyld Error Message: unknown required load command 0x80000022 I guess it is for 10.6 only?

I wrote him a mail. It was not by purpose. He will check that later.

Heh, I also did digging and sent him a mail. Looks like a missing linker flag.

Re: GNU Emacs 23.2 released

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Post by koenigdavidmj »

jrockway wrote: post #52
reneky wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I understand emacs's architectural reasoning for it -- and that is a choice. I think the choice they make is to spend their very limited time on more useful features. I'm sure many of the core Emacs developers would be very happy if someone would fix this limitation. It would be a very invasive change, a fair amount of work.

Any change on 32-bit machines will require special CPU instructions, massive Lisp slowdowns, or massive integer math slowdowns. Considering you can't even buy a new 32-bit machine anymore, however, I don't really see this as a major problem.

>Considering you can't even buy a new 32-bit machine anymore, however

Netbooks.

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