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‘Routine’ Jobs Are Disappearing

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Re: ‘Routine’ Jobs Are Disappearing

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Post by syshum »

CodeSheikh wrote: post #11

"To counter these trends, the U.S. must invest in raising the skills of the workers most likely to be affected by the disappearance of routine jobs..." Not sure how's that going to play out for example a welding machine operator can't become a mechanical engineer in a short span of time because those routine jobs are eventually going to be consumed by automated robots, per this study. Why not motivate people to look…

Healthcare is not immune from Automation either.

there is huge efforts underway to replace Doctors, Nurses, etc with AI.

Re: ‘Routine’ Jobs Are Disappearing

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Post by knightofmars »

lordCarbonFiber wrote: post #4

This is, for society at the very least, a "good thing". Who's dream is it to perform a "relatively narrow set of repeated tasks" for 8 hours a day? As mentioned, take these "prime aged workers" teach them skills, and suddenly we have a spike in actually valuable labour instead of a middle class of unfulfilled office drones stuck in a stupor. IMO, the framing should be look at this amazing business opportunity to onbo…

This is anecdotal evidence from conversations I've had but it has been recurring. A portion of the 18-50 "prime aged workers" believe that when people say "teach them skills" or "provide continuing education" they take it as being told they're stupid. Which, to me, is a viewpoint that makes sense. They are the group that completed high-school and went straight into the workforce or didn't complete high-school at all. They view the public education system as having failed them. It was something they were required by law to do and as such did it until it was no longer required. The last thing they want to do is to go back into a system where they were repeatedly told they were "inadequate" either through grades, by their parents, peers, teachers, or all four.

It is my opinion but I believe this is going to be much harder to fix than just teaching new skills. Specifically for those individuals I described above. We need to fix how we as a country approach education and how our population views it before we can move ahead with teaching those already out of the system, and jaded by it, new skills.

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Post by tptacek »

samfisher83 wrote: post #3

Welding is not a routine job. Good welders make pretty good money.

Be a little careful with the terminology here. If you drill down into the research, they're referring to the cognitive/manual routine/non-routine quadrants. Typical illustrative examples would be:

Routine/Manual: Factory line work

Routine/Cognitive: Retail clerk

Non-Routine/Manual: Truck driver

Non-Routine/Cognitive: Software developer

In this scheme, every job falls into one of those four quadrants.

I agree, welding (probably most of the "trades") are "non-routine/manual".

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Post by danso »

tarunm wrote: post #6

So the normal 'human' link is paywalled but access through Google news is complete. Why is this unfair practice not penalized by Google?

Why would it be penalized by Google? One of the factors in the SERP algorithm is how accessible a page is when someone clicks-through from Google, including load times, page-covering ads, and so forth.

Google also punishes pages that show one thing to the crawler and another thing to human visitors who click through on the search results, i.e. "cloaking" [0]. That is not the case here.

edit: Maybe your question is actually: why does HN -- and all other non-Google sites who link to WSJ articles -- continue to link to WSJ articles when it provides a bad experience for the user? HN admins have made their position clear that the content of WSJ articles are worth going through the workaround.

[0] https://www.searchenginejournal.com/17-ways-to-get-de-indexe...

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Post by monk_e_boy »

crispyambulance wrote: post #18
lordCarbonFiber wrote: post #4

This is, for society at the very least, a "good thing". Who's dream is it to perform a "relatively narrow set of repeated tasks" for 8 hours a day? As mentioned, take these "prime aged workers" teach them skills, and suddenly we have a spike in actually valuable labour instead of a middle class of unfulfilled office drones stuck in a stupor. IMO, the framing should be look at this amazing business opportunity to onbo…

That would be certainly be a nice thing. But I think the BIG problem here is the part where you "teach them skills". What skills? who will teach these skills? and most importantly who will pay to teach these skills?

And what skills? Machine operator just got automated, whats next? Taxi drivers, truck drivers... what should they get an education in?

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Post by jethro_tell »

retbull wrote: post #5

It is interesting that the people who are losing jobs aren't retraining. What exactly is Trump/Republican party going to do to help with that? Bring back Coal when renewable is cheaper?

What are you going to retrain as? A 50 year old programmer with no experience and 50,000 in school loans?

I was a carpenter, I retrained at 28 and it was rough. I can't even imagine being older. Most of the guys I worked with out in the field didn't even own computers. They were just getting real phones. It's a brain rewiring not just picking up a couple new skills.

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Post by knieveltech »

aylons wrote: post #21
CodeSheikh wrote: post #11

"To counter these trends, the U.S. must invest in raising the skills of the workers most likely to be affected by the disappearance of routine jobs..." Not sure how's that going to play out for example a welding machine operator can't become a mechanical engineer in a short span of time because those routine jobs are eventually going to be consumed by automated robots, per this study. Why not motivate people to look…

And for a welding operator to become a physical therapist is an even larger leap. Also, there's also a lot of resistance (and prejudice) in going from blue-collar to pink-collar, partly because care and health services are seem as feminine jobs(except doctors, of course).

Hard to have much sympathy for someone who's strangling themselves with their own gender stereotypes.

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Post by nickthemagicman »

CodeSheikh wrote: post #11

"To counter these trends, the U.S. must invest in raising the skills of the workers most likely to be affected by the disappearance of routine jobs..." Not sure how's that going to play out for example a welding machine operator can't become a mechanical engineer in a short span of time because those routine jobs are eventually going to be consumed by automated robots, per this study. Why not motivate people to look…

Engineering and Medecine seem to be the only safe places atm.

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Post by tptacek »

metaphorm wrote: post #26
CodeSheikh wrote: post #11

"To counter these trends, the U.S. must invest in raising the skills of the workers most likely to be affected by the disappearance of routine jobs..." Not sure how's that going to play out for example a welding machine operator can't become a mechanical engineer in a short span of time because those routine jobs are eventually going to be consumed by automated robots, per this study. Why not motivate people to look…

elder-care cannot possibly be a solid basis for the economy. they are not in their working years and are not (on the average) contributing positive sums to GDP or tax revenue. there is a humanitarian case to be made for improved quality of life for elderly people, but I can't imagine that there is a reasonable economic case to be made for it, unless you're arguing that the elder-care industry is just an elaborate sub…

I don't understand the reasoning here, like, at all. For decades now researchers have been pointing out the demographic issues of aging populations and the workforces required to care for them. I don't know the specific numbers, but they're doubtless enormous. Why wouldn't they be a significant part of the economy?
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