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Re: Show HN: Explore ideas whose patent protection expires today

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Fellow hackers, a word of advice... always start with the marketing before building a product. I too think a power actuated toilet seat sounds like a fantastic foundation for a business, but it's what the market things... not what your gut thinks.

what the market (or anyone for the matter) thinks is not what drives the hacker mindset. The moment science, hackers and other kind of free thinkers start narrowing their ideas because of market or XYZ acceptance we're toasted.

It's the entrepreneur mindset that you're talking about, which equally rare and valuable :-)

Re: Show HN: Explore ideas whose patent protection expires today

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post #15

An expired patent is of public domain or it is just free to be patented again by another person?

It's public domain, see also:

http://patents.stackexchange.com/questions/5766/is-an-expire...

The idea of a patent is that for a given number of years your invention is protected, even if public, you cannot re-patent it "as is" (as it would not be anymore new or non-obvious) but you can sometimes patent a derivative (like an improvement of the same base idea).

The generic issue may be that often behind something there can be a number of patents, often interlinked, so it is far from easy to determine whether you can "use" that expired patent.

Re: Show HN: Explore ideas whose patent protection expires today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great work with this, I can see it providing me hours of entertainment. Obligatory what's the stack?

Thanks, I'm glad you like it :) I've kept it really simple - the patentsview.org API spits out JSON, which I'm feeding into the (awesome!) DataTables jQuery-plugin. The site is hosted on GitHub Pages. I'm planning a HN-style voting system so that interesting patents trickle to the top.

Are you planning on having a feature to pick a range of days, so that I can seen what expired over the last week?

Re: Show HN: Explore ideas whose patent protection expires today

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I can't believe that this was a patent [1]. Surgical gown? Really? In 1995? A suit with a ventilator? [1] https://patents.google.com/patent/US5588153

How about this one, a shirt with reflective material on it! https://patents.google.com/patent/US5588156

Re: Show HN: Explore ideas whose patent protection expires today

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post #15

An expired patent is of public domain or it is just free to be patented again by another person?

The whole point of the patent system is to make sure ideas aren't locked up so we can advance as a society (something the Copyright office has forgotten), so once they expire they are in the Public Domain forever.

Re: Show HN: Explore ideas whose patent protection expires today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great work with this, I can see it providing me hours of entertainment. Obligatory what's the stack?

Thanks, I'm glad you like it :) I've kept it really simple - the patentsview.org API spits out JSON, which I'm feeding into the (awesome!) DataTables jQuery-plugin. The site is hosted on GitHub Pages. I'm planning a HN-style voting system so that interesting patents trickle to the top.

2017, when "really simple" is a jQuery plugin. ;)

Re: Show HN: Explore ideas whose patent protection expires today

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great work with this, I can see it providing me hours of entertainment. Obligatory what's the stack?

Thanks, I'm glad you like it :) I've kept it really simple - the patentsview.org API spits out JSON, which I'm feeding into the (awesome!) DataTables jQuery-plugin. The site is hosted on GitHub Pages. I'm planning a HN-style voting system so that interesting patents trickle to the top.

datatables is fantastic, almost always a better solution than native html tables for any non-trivial information display

Re: Show HN: Explore ideas whose patent protection expires today

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An expired patent is of public domain or it is just free to be patented again by another person?

The whole point of the patent system is to make sure ideas aren't locked up so we can advance as a society (something the Copyright office has forgotten), so once they expire they are in the Public Domain forever.

This is not the only point of the patent system: you seem to think that any good patents could have been kept as trade secrets.

But that's not the case. Sometimes there would be no way to use a patent as a trade secret, because, for example, it's simply given to the consumer and they can see how it works, easily.

So another important point is to allow people to research and innovate and make it to market under a state-granted monopoly, in exchange for and to encourage doing so.

As an example, suppose there existed a configuration of plastic that easily enabled xyz - but nobody has 'invented' or researched this configuration. If there really is no prior art, then someone could take the time to invent and patent it, and then sell it at a price that both recoups the cost of their invention, and also acts as an incentive for them to have done so in the first place.

This is not theoretical. The cable tie is a great invention. Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it:

>The idea of the cable tie came to Logan while touring a Boeing aircraft manufacturing facility in 1956. Aircraft wiring was a cumbersome and detailed undertaking, involving thousands of feet of wire organized on sheets of 50-foot long plywood and held in place with knotted, waxcoated, braided nylon cord. Each knot had to be pulled tight by wrapping the cord around one's finger which sometimes cut the operator's fingers until they developed thick calluses or "hamburger hands." Logan was convinced there had to be an easier, more forgiving, way to accomplish this critical task.

>For the next couple of years, Logan experimented with various tools and materials. On June 24, 1958, a patent for the Ty-Rap cable tie was submitted.

In other words (if I'm reading it right) from 1958 until 1978 he had a monopoly on making those cheap plastic things. Then it was over.

Today, (and for the past 45 years) everyone could make that piece of plastic easily and cheaply.

Bu the KEY thing is "For the next couple of years, Logan experimented with various tools and materials. " -- THAT'S what the patent system enables.

He would have had zero incentive to do so if he had not had a patent on the invention, for the next few years. People might have "hamburger hands", to this day. Trade secret has nothing to do with it.

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