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Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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So thickness and weight are the drivers for this: You can always build a laptop that has the same battery capacity with a detachable battery as you can with a non-detachable. It's just going to be thicker and heavier.

It'll also have a great deal of wasted space, more moving parts, more breakable components, less structural support, additional hardware and software validation requirements, and require some careful engineering to avoid having it fall over backward when you open the screen slightly past vertical (battery cells work nicely as a counterweight). All for a laptop that wouldn't sell as well because people do care about s…

I totally agree that integrated batteries sell better - I just wanted to point out that the driver is "cram the same capacity in less space and weight". It's a tradeoff between the three, and since a lot of people prefer lighter, smaller laptops over serviceability, that's where things go. (Written on a laptop with a non-removable battery).

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Ive went with a T420 recently, mostly because of the keyboard. But also because $400 for laptop + battery + Samsung SSD + 16GB hyperX Ram sounded so cheap i could not resist. And honestly even after a 2015 MBP it feels perfect for all my needs. In fact due to the superior RAM and SSD it feels often way faster than the MBP for 5 times that price felt. Plus it has way better battery life. Seriously Thinkpads are the be…

> Plus it has way better battery life.

How much battery time are you getting?

And which battery do you use?

And are you running Linux or Windows?

(I'm considering a T420 right now)

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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I bought a T460p a few months ago and am not very happy with it. The problem I have is that linux(I am running debian) has quite a few problems with the Skylake architecture, especially the graphics driver. I tried everything I can think of, installing the intel driver manually and installing the newest kernel(4.9.0) but I still have some troubles with the graphics glitches. So I when I'll be buying a new laptop I wi…

That was the problem I mentioned regarding the scaling of the video. In VLC this was easy to fix -> see article. For in-browser videos like youtube all was fine without a config.

The main problem I have is graphics artifacts in applications that use webkit, for example Vivaldi and Code. Here(https://gfycat.com/MemorableIndolentDuckling) is a screengrab I made of the tearing, it mainly happens when I move the mouse over certain objects. Everything works fine in firefox so its pretty weird.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Important difference: sleep usually works and is fast. What often does not work is hibernation (recover from disc)

According to a comment in the post it fails when the swap partition is encrypted. However why enable swap with 16 GB of RAM? I've been running without swap for almost 3 years and never had any trouble. If I start approaching the limit I'll buy another 16 GB.

The comment also talks about suspend to disc.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Ive went with a T420 recently, mostly because of the keyboard. But also because $400 for laptop + battery + Samsung SSD + 16GB hyperX Ram sounded so cheap i could not resist. And honestly even after a 2015 MBP it feels perfect for all my needs. In fact due to the superior RAM and SSD it feels often way faster than the MBP for 5 times that price felt. Plus it has way better battery life. Seriously Thinkpads are the be…

> Plus it has way better battery life. How much battery time are you getting? And which battery do you use? And are you running Linux or Windows? (I'm considering a T420 right now)

Linux, the 3 cell one (the one i got it with a 2 cell has about 4 hours left). I get about 9 hours with full light and wifi and about 14 with ethernet & slightly dimmed light. Obviously linux (also Arch), i dont think Windows can be optimized for such battery life. And in my experience Arch also beats Ubuntu. At least without a lot of hacking.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Important difference: sleep usually works and is fast. What often does not work is hibernation (recover from disc)

...which is crucial since you don't want to lose your data when closing the lid. (Non-tech-term is on purpose here, since users shouldn't need to know about the difference. Also I believe OSX uses a hybrid approach).

You do not loose your data with both methods as power is used for suspend to RAM.

BTW: OSX has not a "pure" suspend to disc anymore and the default method is suspend to RAM when closing the lid

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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Actually convertible is a disadvantage for me. Why would I need this?

You don't need to use it, so I wouldn't count it as a disadvantage (only the things that come with it, like increased weight).

Reduced battery time (?), more stuff to fail and being dependent on software for hotswap functionality which may have some serious issues with non-Windows and even none NT10 based Windows operating system and the list can go on.

We're not talking about a fingerprint reader here. Convertible laptops have to make very specific design choices/compromises which come with some disadvantages currently.

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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I bought a T460p a few months ago and am not very happy with it. The problem I have is that linux(I am running debian) has quite a few problems with the Skylake architecture, especially the graphics driver. I tried everything I can think of, installing the intel driver manually and installing the newest kernel(4.9.0) but I still have some troubles with the graphics glitches. So I when I'll be buying a new laptop I wi…

Intel do a quarterly release that fetches pre-built packages but it's only for Ubuntu/Fedora.

On my NUC, when new, I ran debian testing and had to pull in packages from debian experimental for Intel driver support.

So I'd suggest maybe switching to downstream Ubuntu might involve less trauma?

https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-update...

Re: Lenovo ThinkPad T460 – A Good Linux Laptop for Development

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> Xeon E3-1505M machine Except they don't ship with ECC memory. > 32GB, DDR4-2133MHz SDRAM, 2 DIMMS, Non-ECC [0] So what's the point of having a Xeon? The Core i7 options offered for the laptop support all the same processor features [1], except ECC memory [2], which Dell isn't even shipping. [0] http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/precision-m5510-workstatio... [1] http://ark.intel.com/products/88970/Intel-Core-i7-6820…

I suppose the ability to install ECC memory on one's own is still a benefit. Still would be nice for Dell to ship with it, though, instead of requiring customers to buy it elsewhere.

What's the benefit of ECC on a laptop? Less frequent system failures? I haven't seen a system halt on my laptop in months.
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