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Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by lisivka »

IvarTheHomeless wrote: post #90
lisivka wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect you are Russian. Can I ask a dumb question? Russian language started to be used by civilians in 16 century. Before that, it used in churches only. (See Wikipedia for details). What language your grand....grand parents are used before 16 century?

I'm not a time traveler or the poster you are asking but I suggest you watch this, history of the evolvement of Russian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4cXIyyc-L0

Video is incorrect. Russian is South Slavic language. It's much closer to language used in Montenegro (which is South Slavic) than to Ukrainian or Belorusian languages. Russians have troubles with understanding of something written or spoken in East or West Slavic languages, while they have much less trouble with South Slavic languages. It's because Russian language is based on Church Slavonic language[1][2], which was develop by Saints Cyril and Methodius[3] using South Slavonic dialect spoken in (now) North Greece.

Also, samples of history are incorrect, causing multiple LOL's.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_Cyril_and_Methodius

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Slavonic_language

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Church_Slavonic

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by lisivka »

IvarTheHomeless wrote: post #90
lisivka wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect you are Russian. Can I ask a dumb question? Russian language started to be used by civilians in 16 century. Before that, it used in churches only. (See Wikipedia for details). What language your grand....grand parents are used before 16 century?

I'm not a time traveler or the poster you are asking but I suggest you watch this, history of the evolvement of Russian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4cXIyyc-L0

Please note, that video supports my point: between 500BC and 1600BC, Russian language was non-existing. It's why video jumps from 500BC (proto-Slavic language) to 1400BC straight, skipping 1K years, 2/3 of history of Slavs.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by Natsu »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #78
Natsu wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comey claimed not to have charged Clinton because there was a lack of intent. Gowdy is calling him on that, saying that this makes zero sense and going over all the ways they have to prove intent. His point at the end about "negligence" underscores the fact that the entire line of reasoning is nonsensical: intentional negligence is a contradiction in terms. That which is intentional cannot be negligent and vice versa…

You don't understand what intent means as it relates to the law. The particular law you are referring to is the Espionage Act. The case law (in particular, Gorin v. United States ) establishes a bright line of scienter for application of this law, highlighting the text that says the defendant must have "intent or reason to believe that the information to be obtained is to be used to the injury of the United States, o…

That's part (a), though and the talk I remember centered around 18 USC 793(f), which does not appear to depend on (a) as some of the other sections do, like (b) and (c).

The email between her & Powell would also make it interesting to see whether (g) applies.

For reference, here's 18 USC 793 - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by lern_too_spel »

Toe-Rag wrote: post #87
lern_too_spel wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't understand what intent means as it relates to the law. The particular law you are referring to is the Espionage Act. The case law (in particular, Gorin v. United States ) establishes a bright line of scienter for application of this law, highlighting the text that says the defendant must have "intent or reason to believe that the information to be obtained is to be used to the injury of the United States, o…

Intent to harm the United States (or another nation) was not the intent Comey was looking for. It was intent to share national security information with people not authorized to receive it.

And what law would that be a violation of? The only law requiring intent that was under investigation was the Espionage Act, and I have given you the text that describes what intent is required.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by lern_too_spel »

Natsu wrote: post #93
lern_too_spel wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't understand what intent means as it relates to the law. The particular law you are referring to is the Espionage Act. The case law (in particular, Gorin v. United States ) establishes a bright line of scienter for application of this law, highlighting the text that says the defendant must have "intent or reason to believe that the information to be obtained is to be used to the injury of the United States, o…

That's part (a), though and the talk I remember centered around 18 USC 793(f), which does not appear to depend on (a) as some of the other sections do, like (b) and (c). The email between her & Powell would also make it interesting to see whether (g) applies. For reference, here's 18 USC 793 - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

You don't understand the difference between case law and statutory law. You are citing statutory law. The law as it stands is statutory law (how the law is written) amended by case law (how the courts have interpreted it). As I stated, case law as of Gorin v. United States invalidates the sections you cited and requires scienter.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by PerfectDlite »

natch wrote: post #55

I don't know how much of the HN community is old enough to remember Colin Powell just prior to the first Iraq war, getting up in front of the UN and the whole world for that matter, and asserting that there was ironclad proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (which we came to know as WMD). Different parts of the government had the same talking points and it was all presented as irrefutable facts. But the evi…

> I doubt the underlying premise, that Russia would even be so stupid as to try such a thing.

They've invaded Crimea and downed MH-17.

If that's not stupid, I dunno what else is.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by PerfectDlite »

ZoeZoeBee wrote: post #35
knz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is too sinple. Russia is actively pushing an agenda as well - the invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea were not a response to US/NATO aggression. A new cold war has also been pushed domestically for the political benefit of Putin et al. If Trump had done basic things like released his tax returns (to show no massive conflict of interest with Russian loans etc) or stopped praising Putin on a regular basis…

The invasion of Crimea was a direct response to US/NATO aggression. 1) The US helped plot to overthrow the Ukranian government in 2014. 2) Russia was not keen on NATO pushing for Ukraine to become a member, which would literally put the Russians major warm naval port under NATO hands. 3) Crimea has been a part of Russia for centuries, the only reason Crimea became a part of Ukraine after the breakup of the Soviet Uni…

> The US helped plot to overthrow the Ukranian government in 2014.

Which is not supported by any claims, except wild Russian propaganda.

> NATO pushing for Ukraine to become a member

Same.

> Crimea has been a part of Russia for centuries

Russia (as is) didn't exist _for centuries_.

> to celebrate the 300th Anniversary of the Ukraine as part of Russia

That's wrong on so many levels...

> Crimea voted to rejoin Russia

Sure. _After_ Russia invaded Crimea they've held highly falsified voting which wasn't recognized by any international officials.

All in all, your information tend to be highly skewed to Kremlin propaganda.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by rat87 »

whitemale wrote: post #16
threeseed wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody said Russia rigged the election. The issue was the attempts to influence the election which Russia has a long, documented history of doing so. And the US had an obligation to respond which they did with minimal effect. So claiming all of this was about propaganda really makes no sense given the facts on the ground. And please remember why Russia's relations with almost all of the world deteriorated in the firs…

> So claiming all of this was about propaganda really makes no sense given the facts on the ground. Where are those facts? please show hard evidence. So far I haven't seen any hard evidence that proves it was the state of Russia who orchestrated the hacks. > And please remember why Russia's relations with almost all of the world deteriorated in the first place. It's because they annexed Crimea (unprecedented for our…

> If you believe that Russia is absolutely bad and the US and Ukraine are infinitely good and righteous, then you might want to look at what the other side says: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KHCNk9BYy4

No one is absolutely bad or good but Putin and the Russian government is responsible for the situation in Ukraine.

Ukraine was doing badly enough on its own, it didn't need Russia fucking it over. And its such a stupid panic it's not like Ukraine would have been admitted into EU or Nato, next election or 2 (with a mildly less corrupt/nasty candidate) things would have swung back to Russia friendly candidates.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by PKop »

threeseed wrote: post #7
Gustomaximus wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me the ongoing 'Russia rigged elections' smells like propaganda from the other side. And maybe russia did release the DNC emails, but Assange said that wasn't the case and I feel he's more likely to be telling the truth than state players. And even if they did release these emails it's hardly rigging an election. Comneys email announcement at the 11th hour about reopening email investigation was probably a decidin…

Nobody said Russia rigged the election. The issue was the attempts to influence the election which Russia has a long, documented history of doing so. And the US had an obligation to respond which they did with minimal effect. So claiming all of this was about propaganda really makes no sense given the facts on the ground. And please remember why Russia's relations with almost all of the world deteriorated in the firs…

Google the term Russia "hacked the election".

It's all over the place. There's no subtlety or nuance in how this issue is reported in the media.

DNC and Podesta email hacks have been turned into Russian hacking of the entire election, and (not accidentally) many are inferring that Russia likely hacked actual voting machines.

Many people seem to be looking for a fight with Russia. Look around on twitter. See the desire for escalation in Syria. Remember the desire for a no fly zone in Syria supported by Hillary Clinton. As General Dunford testified, this would have required war with Russia.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

#100

Post by Natsu »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #95
Natsu wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's part (a), though and the talk I remember centered around 18 USC 793(f), which does not appear to depend on (a) as some of the other sections do, like (b) and (c). The email between her & Powell would also make it interesting to see whether (g) applies. For reference, here's 18 USC 793 - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

You don't understand the difference between case law and statutory law. You are citing statutory law. The law as it stands is statutory law (how the law is written) amended by case law (how the courts have interpreted it). As I stated, case law as of Gorin v. United States invalidates the sections you cited and requires scienter.

Then look at this case which cites it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Jin-Woo_Kim

The indictment is here: https://fas.org/sgp/jud/kim/082411-order.pdf

"Kim had a reason to believe that this information could be used to the injury of the United States and to the advantage of a foreign nation"

There was a TS picture of NK on there. Huma Abadeen had access to her device (someone who was born in the USA, but raised in Saudi Arabia) as evidenced by signatures on some emails "from" Hillary. And even if there wasn't that, they should have the ability to prosecute her for all of the false statements made during the investigation (which would be under a completely different statute).

For all the worry about foreign powers influencing the USA, it's undeniable that she and Colin Powell schemed in such a way that jeopardized OPSEC. That will remain an issue as long as people can get away with it.

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