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Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

3131s wrote: post #14
threeseed wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody said Russia rigged the election. The issue was the attempts to influence the election which Russia has a long, documented history of doing so. And the US had an obligation to respond which they did with minimal effect. So claiming all of this was about propaganda really makes no sense given the facts on the ground. And please remember why Russia's relations with almost all of the world deteriorated in the firs…

> Nobody said Russia rigged the election. Obama and Josh Earnest have not gone as far as using the word "rigged" but they have essentially implied as much. Other large media outlets have done the same and yes, some have used the word "rigged" directly [1] (and if I dug through CNN / MSNBC / ABC reels I am positive I could find many more examples). Lesser known media outlets and internet commentators have been using t…

As a non-American, the long history of the US meddling in elections may make the claims hypocritical, but it makes me very open to suggestions that Russia would do it too.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by jaclaz »

matheweis wrote: post #2

The conclusions are of particular note: "The IP addresses that DHS provided may have been used for an attack by a state actor like Russia. But they don’t appear to provide any association with Russia. They are probably used by a wide range of other malicious actors, especially the 15% of IP addresses that are Tor exit nodes. The malware sample is old, widely used and appears to be Ukrainian. It has no apparent relati…

Before "those" conclusions, I find of most interest the previous "Malware Conclusions":

"The PHP malware sample they have provided appears to be P.A.S. version 3.1.0 which is commonly available and the website that claims to have authored it says they are Ukrainian. It is also several versions behind the most current version of P.A.S which is 4.1.1b. One might reasonably expect Russian intelligence operatives to develop their own tools or at least use current malicious tools from outside sources."

The last sentence is IMHO even stronger.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by SixSigma »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #5
gtirloni wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the conclusion anyone working in the security/network area was bound to arrive at. It's really interesting FBI/DHS would make those claims publicly when the chance of having any hard evidence of that would be minimal. But they still did it. Why?

To me the ongoing 'Russia rigged elections' smells like propaganda from the other side. And maybe russia did release the DNC emails, but Assange said that wasn't the case and I feel he's more likely to be telling the truth than state players. And even if they did release these emails it's hardly rigging an election. Comneys email announcement at the 11th hour about reopening email investigation was probably a decidin…

Using Mind Control to make Donna Brazile get fired from CNN for giving HRC Debate Questions was genius hacking.

Using Mind Control to make Debbie Wasserman Schultz quit as DNC chair for rigging thr Primaries and then same day get a new job with HRC was genius hacking.

It's like poeple think the only thing shady was Comey the Weasel!

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by shard972 »

Isinlor wrote: post #20
whitemale wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So claiming all of this was about propaganda really makes no sense given the facts on the ground. Where are those facts? please show hard evidence. So far I haven't seen any hard evidence that proves it was the state of Russia who orchestrated the hacks. > And please remember why Russia's relations with almost all of the world deteriorated in the first place. It's because they annexed Crimea (unprecedented for our…

"You don't understand, George, that Ukraine is not even a state. What is Ukraine? Part of its territories is Eastern Europe, but the greater part is a gift from us." Said by Putin in 2008, Boekarest -> 2014, Crimea annexation and Ukraine in war. Polish president in 2008 was saying "Today Gorgia, tomorrow Ukraine, the day after Baltic States and then maybe even Poland". He died in Russia in airplane accident in 2010 w…

> If you want to see what happens when a person like Putin starts to say that the last peace agreements are bad and borders need to be changed then look at the second world war and the Polish history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement

So is that a fear in Poland? That peace with russia would involve handing over parts of your country to Russia?

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

Isinlor wrote: post #20
whitemale wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So claiming all of this was about propaganda really makes no sense given the facts on the ground. Where are those facts? please show hard evidence. So far I haven't seen any hard evidence that proves it was the state of Russia who orchestrated the hacks. > And please remember why Russia's relations with almost all of the world deteriorated in the first place. It's because they annexed Crimea (unprecedented for our…

"You don't understand, George, that Ukraine is not even a state. What is Ukraine? Part of its territories is Eastern Europe, but the greater part is a gift from us." Said by Putin in 2008, Boekarest -> 2014, Crimea annexation and Ukraine in war. Polish president in 2008 was saying "Today Gorgia, tomorrow Ukraine, the day after Baltic States and then maybe even Poland". He died in Russia in airplane accident in 2010 w…

> Boekarest

That would be "Bucharest" and the whole quote is actually a rumour published by Kommersant who cited a NATO delegation source. Not exactly reliable.

> I'm from Poland and I can tell you that having USA military bases in Poland is a big win for every political force in my country. Left, right, liberal, socialists agree - we want to keep Russians as far as possible.

Don't you realize that the US is looking for a conflict and a future proxy war may be waged in your country exactly because of those bases?

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by [deleted] »

threeseed wrote: post #7
Gustomaximus wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me the ongoing 'Russia rigged elections' smells like propaganda from the other side. And maybe russia did release the DNC emails, but Assange said that wasn't the case and I feel he's more likely to be telling the truth than state players. And even if they did release these emails it's hardly rigging an election. Comneys email announcement at the 11th hour about reopening email investigation was probably a decidin…

Nobody said Russia rigged the election. The issue was the attempts to influence the election which Russia has a long, documented history of doing so. And the US had an obligation to respond which they did with minimal effect. So claiming all of this was about propaganda really makes no sense given the facts on the ground. And please remember why Russia's relations with almost all of the world deteriorated in the firs…

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Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by knz »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #5
gtirloni wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the conclusion anyone working in the security/network area was bound to arrive at. It's really interesting FBI/DHS would make those claims publicly when the chance of having any hard evidence of that would be minimal. But they still did it. Why?

To me the ongoing 'Russia rigged elections' smells like propaganda from the other side. And maybe russia did release the DNC emails, but Assange said that wasn't the case and I feel he's more likely to be telling the truth than state players. And even if they did release these emails it's hardly rigging an election. Comneys email announcement at the 11th hour about reopening email investigation was probably a decidin…

This is too sinple. Russia is actively pushing an agenda as well - the invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea were not a response to US/NATO aggression. A new cold war has also been pushed domestically for the political benefit of Putin et al.

If Trump had done basic things like released his tax returns (to show no massive conflict of interest with Russian loans etc) or stopped praising Putin on a regular basis then it would be a lot easier to dismiss concerns about his relationship with Putin and whether they stand to benefit by Trump's election.

Russia/Putin has a history of crushing domestic political dissent (including assassinations) and exploiting xenophobia for political gain. There is NOTHING for the US or any NATO member to admire about Putin or the Russian political system.

Edit. I forgot to mention the proxy war in Syria! Russia has everything to gain by tipping the scales in favour of a politician that upsets that status quo in the US.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by sverige »

3131s wrote: post #14
threeseed wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody said Russia rigged the election. The issue was the attempts to influence the election which Russia has a long, documented history of doing so. And the US had an obligation to respond which they did with minimal effect. So claiming all of this was about propaganda really makes no sense given the facts on the ground. And please remember why Russia's relations with almost all of the world deteriorated in the firs…

> Nobody said Russia rigged the election. Obama and Josh Earnest have not gone as far as using the word "rigged" but they have essentially implied as much. Other large media outlets have done the same and yes, some have used the word "rigged" directly [1] (and if I dug through CNN / MSNBC / ABC reels I am positive I could find many more examples). Lesser known media outlets and internet commentators have been using t…

The most ironic part of the Clinton camp using the term "rigged" is that the original use of the term was by Bernie Sanders against Clinton during the primaries. His claims were proved by the emails that were released by Wikileaks. But somehow this has become a discussion of whether the Russians were behind it, rather than the uncontested content of the emails showing the Clinton campaign's malfeasance.

It has also morphed into a large percentage of the population believing that Russia hacked voting machines and vote tallies, for which there is absolutely no evidence. This furthers the agenda of deligitimizing the election results.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by nickff »

grzm wrote: post #18
gozur88 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's really interesting FBI/DHS would make those claims publicly when the chance of having any hard evidence of that would be minimal. But they still did it. Why? Occam's razor says it's what the DNC wanted them to say. Politically it's a lot easier cop to being penetrated by a state actor than a group like Anonymous, and it allows the Democrats to deflect the conversation from the content of the emails. Well, to ma…

the DNC Just an observation: I don't recall until very recently the DNC or the RNC to refer to the parties, as opposed to the Democratic Party or Republican Party. I wonder why the shift? The focus on the Podesta/DNC emails? Makes sense during the election, and now it seems to have transferred over to referring to the party as part of the government (e.g., in reference to the FBI or DHS). Last time I remember the DNC…

I think people are using 'DNC' and 'RNC' to make it clear that they are referring to the party leadership, not rank-and-file members.

Re: US Govt Data Shows Russia Used Outdated Ukrainian PHP Malware

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Post by wcummings »

shimon_e wrote: post #19
Natsu wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're going to speculate, I'd say Kim Dotcom is more suspicious based on his tweets. I thought he tweeted some statements indicating foreknowledge of certain leaks, but I never investigated it carefully. EDIT: I'm certainly not claiming he did anything, I read this as just sour grapes, but look for yourself at a sample - http://imgur.com/a/zv174 EDIT 2: This is more like it - https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/art…

I don't know why OP is being down voted. Kim Dotcom tweeted he had early access to the leaks. It feels like a more plausible theory to me than the one the Obama administration is pushing. He announced his attention to be "an Internet Freedom fighter" and "Hillary's worse nightmare in 2016" back in 2014. Look at this tweet from 10 hours ago: "My old hacker firm Data Protect hacked 100% of its clients." https://twitter…

He's just a washed up loser looking for attention, like McAfee.
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