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Re: Ask PG: What's the deal with search on HN?

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Ok, I'll try it for a while. It really doesn't seem like it's worth adding a link for something so trivial though.

If it was trivial, there wouldn't be so many questions about how to search the site :) But thanks. Edit: Or maybe if you're the type of person who can't figure it out, you're not the type of person who should be posting on HackerNews in the first place?

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Re: Ask PG: What's the deal with search on HN?

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>> I would be suprised if there was a single user who'd left HN because it lacked search. While I agree with you, I think you're looking at it the wrong way. No user will leave HN because of search-issues, but a lot of users will be very happy if the site had good search. imo it makes sense to do a trivial thing and make a lot of users happy. So while you're correct in saying that "quality of the submissions and comm…

painkillers and vitamins.

> painkillers and vitamins.

I can't make heads or tails of this comment. Could you please explain?

Re: Ask PG: What's the deal with search on HN?

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How about adding this to the header or footer? http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aycombinator.com&#62 ; Search

Ok, I'll try it for a while. It really doesn't seem like it's worth adding a link for something so trivial though.

Any time I see something valuable on HN I quickly bookmark it so that I can read it later on without the hassle to search it. Search is a hassle on YC. I think we need a solution especially having been used to quick and effective google search for almost anything.

Re: Ask PG: What's the deal with search on HN?

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Ok, I'll try it for a while. It really doesn't seem like it's worth adding a link for something so trivial though.

Any time I see something valuable on HN I quickly bookmark it so that I can read it later on without the hassle to search it. Search is a hassle on YC. I think we need a solution especially having been used to quick and effective google search for almost anything.

That's what searchyc.com is all about.

Google is a good solution, searchyc.com is even better.

Re: Ask PG: What's the deal with search on HN?

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The explanation is a lot less involved than your question: what makes users happy is not features, but the quality of the submissions and comments. So I focus on the latter instead of the former. The result is a spartan site with good content. There's a YC funded startup that may solve the problem. If they do I'll use them. But frankly the issue is not at the top of my list. This is a classic example of how one shoul…

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Re: Ask PG: What's the deal with search on HN?

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The explanation is a lot less involved than your question: what makes users happy is not features, but the quality of the submissions and comments. So I focus on the latter instead of the former. The result is a spartan site with good content. There's a YC funded startup that may solve the problem. If they do I'll use them. But frankly the issue is not at the top of my list. This is a classic example of how one shoul…

How about adding this to the header or footer? http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aycombinator.com&#62 ; Search

Since searchyc do such a nice job, it seems a shame to throw the link to google instead.

But, it's not my site...

Re: Ask PG: What's the deal with search on HN?

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I think you mostly want search when you decide to submit a link. Since you don't want to submit a duplicate article, you have to check searchyc first.

I think it very much depends on how you use HN, if you use it just for the consumption of 'news' then I can see why you would not need search as much, but HN is much more than that. It's an awesome resource, there are plenty of comments that are literally gems when you're stuck on something or starting with some new tech and that's when search comes in really handy. For instance, how to start with clojure: http://new…

I concede that search is sometimes useful for any site, but google does a pretty good job and I respect pg's reluctance to mess with it. I do keep a list of HN articles that I want to be able to go back to.

Re: Ask PG: What's the deal with search on HN?

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What you don't get is that attention is a zero sum game. There are an infinite number of minor things that would be pretty good to do that would "just take a minute." The only way to do good work is to ruthlessly blow them off and to focus only on the few things that matter most. Ironically, this thread, though a complete bike-shed waste of time in itself, is not entirely bad, because it's also causing me to spend ti…

I think the points helped you gain a more accurate idea of whether responding was worthwhile. The more people support an idea, the more response it calls for. Furthermore, an upvote or downvote is equivalent to a very concise comment.

The base case of concise and inarticulate are identical.

The second most concise form of comment would be to say simply "yes" or "no." Do you feel such comments add to a discussion on account of their conciseness?

Re: Ask PG: What's the deal with search on HN?

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painkillers and vitamins.

> painkillers and vitamins. I can't make heads or tails of this comment. Could you please explain?

I assume it means that some features are "good for you," while others are opiates; and possibly that this is a bad thing because opiates mask pain, and graphing pain is a crucial part of iterating a design, so the more opiates a design has, the more confounding factors there will be to evolving a good core product. (That's not to say that I agree that on-site search is an opiate, but an argument could be made for it.)

EDIT: Oh, wait, I screwed that up completely. It's from here: http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2008/03/does-...

Apparently, painkillers are the good things. Goes to show how weak analogies won't actually carry your message.

Re: Ask PG: What's the deal with search on HN?

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painkillers and vitamins.

> painkillers and vitamins. I can't make heads or tails of this comment. Could you please explain?

He's referring to the classic problem in a startup of distinguishing between things users want (vitamins) and those they really want (painkillers). It's critical to concentrate on the latter because you have so little margin for error.
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