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Re: Working remotely, coworking spaces, and mental health

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> then getting super depressive from loneliness I read this so often and can't understand it. It's like most people never get friends outside of work. Like they never grew up and are still in the 'I can only get friends at my school/class'-mindset from when they were young. The best people I know I met at places of my choosing, not at work, not at school. I work remote because my private life is so demanding and I co…

> like most people never get friends outside of work. 60 hour weeks and a young family will do that. I literally don't have a single friend outside of family members. I'm also suffering from bipolar depression but it's either support my family or be happy. I'd rather they be happy. I guess.

> 60 hour weeks

There's your first problem. Stop overworking.

Re: Working remotely, coworking spaces, and mental health

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For my job(s) the last 8 years or so, I've had a mix of on-site (10%), travel (40%) and work-from-home (the remainder). There have been very long stretches when I'm neither in the office, nor travelling to meet with customers, however -- sometimes, months. From my standpoint, I can commiserate with the author here. I live out in the hinterlands with my wife and 6 kids, so there's no shortage of social interaction -- however if I've been stuck here for 6 weeks, I begin to get a little stir crazy. I "recharge" by going to trade shows/events/meetups in NYC (which is about an hour and a half away) -- the energy of the city is refreshing, but I wouldn't want to put up with it every day. Just once in a while...

Re: Working remotely, coworking spaces, and mental health

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Is this REAL remote (I can apply from any country) or "just within the US" remote? I checked the link you provided but this was not detailed.

It's REAL remote. I'm working a Software Engineer working for DigitalOcean from Turkey :)

Important question: do they differentiate salaries according to your region? In other words, are you paid similarly as your North American peers or you get a Turkish salary?

Re: Working remotely, coworking spaces, and mental health

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> like most people never get friends outside of work. 60 hour weeks and a young family will do that. I literally don't have a single friend outside of family members. I'm also suffering from bipolar depression but it's either support my family or be happy. I'd rather they be happy. I guess.

> 60 hour weeks There's your first problem. Stop overworking.

Maybe. But then it's not that simple for everyone to break out of such a vicious cycle and find friends when you don't have friends to help already.

Re: Working remotely, coworking spaces, and mental health

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i'd consider myself pretty introvert and have been working remotely for 5-6 years and only realised on how much i missed out socially after getting a regular job at a startup again. I just enjoy working in a team of motivated people, talking to them randomly about non-work/non-tech stuff. I still feel more productive even though there are more interruptions, but at home i tended to create these interruptions myself a…

Yeah, I'm curious how I would feel if I went back to a normal job. Before working remotely I worked in the game industry for 10 years and I mostly loved it. But, I also really like my current remote setup. I think a big part of it is that I started working remotely at the same time as I had kids, so now I can take off any time I want to spend time with them. I normally take a 2 hour break for eating dinner and helpin…

> I didn't think anything of it at the time, but now that I have kids of my own with my current setup, I can't imagine only seeing them for 10 minutes a day. That just doesn't seem right.

This may be viewed as a benefit rather than a downside by a surprisingly large number of people.

I'm not passing judgment here, just speaking empirically. For men especially, the office and work are the default place to hide from unhappy marriages, dull domestic life, housework, and [perceived as] perfunctory obligations that they want to avoid (due to lack of interest) but which it is not socially acceptable, or perhaps politically correct, to reject. Not everyone is in a happy marriage, and not everyone actually enjoys spending time with their wife. Furthermore, not all fathers have the right combination of personality, emotional constitution and intellectual disposition to have fruitful interactions with all kids, at all ages, and all times. "I love spending time with my kids more than anything else in the world!" is an obligatory refrain nowadays, so few people will admit otherwise—even to themselves—because it's very non-comme il faut. But the truth is that 2 1/2 year-olds can be pretty unstimulating company. For a lot of busy, career-minded, highly accomplished, worldly people, ten minutes before bedtime sounds about right. That sounds cruel and terrible now to a lot of people now, but would have been quite uncontroversial half a century ago.

That has been one of the most important functions of the organisation office in the 20th century. It's a cover that gets many men—often fairly inscrutably—out of having to deal with things they don't really want to deal with. Feminism picked up on this a long time ago, and that's what's behind a lot of the "second shift" double standard critique. The charge is that men still have an easier time cloaking themselves in inscrutability when they attend to their careers. In this version of events, nobody really has a right to question why they're at the office so much, what they do there, or why they're working so hard.

I'm not talking about men that lie that they are "at the office" when they're in fact at the hotel with their mistress. I'm talking about men that are legitimately ambitious and interested enough in their work that they take on more of it—a lot more of it—than they absolutely have to willingly, because they are secretly not so interested in achieving "work-life balance", as other aspects of their life are not fulfilling to them. There's a lot you can get out of if you have to stay late at the office all the time due to meet a legitimately ambitious shipping schedule. Hard to argue with.

Another, related problem is that most non-digiratti don't really understand computer-based self employment. I'm sure we have all dealt with the problem of older relatives, more traditionally-minded people, or unenlightened spouses perceiving that we are simply sitting on the couch "playing on the computer", much as many of us have always done since childhood. In the mind of such people—a vast segment of American society—work is a place one goes, with a briefcase, and which keeps defined business hours. Intellectually, they understand that the money comes from somewhere, and that you are not actually paid to "play on the computer". But instinctively, they can't process that. The appearance of "playing on the computer" means you don't really do much of anything and are always available to chat, run errands, walk the dog, feed the baby, etc.

Some will say, "But that's why I have a house, with a door that closes, and everyone around me knows not to ever bother me when I'm in there!" Yeah, okay. My experience hasn't been that this works. The first time your wife walks in there anyway and sees you browsing Reddit instead of feverishly parrying phone calls and struggling to right critical infrastructure to prevent impending apocalypse, that's done. From that point onward, you're just hiding in there to play on your computer and are preemptible by processes with nominally high priority. :-)

That's another class of problem that going to an office solves.

Re: Working remotely, coworking spaces, and mental health

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For the last 2.5 years I've been working at DigitalOcean as a remote employee. DO has more than 50% of the staff remote. I think it's important that a large chunk of a company & team be remote, to be successful in the exercise, so that there be a forcing function to use asynchronous communications. It's been really life changing for me. We have a bunch of style of remotees; work from home, work from coffeeshop, work…

> then getting super depressive from loneliness I read this so often and can't understand it. It's like most people never get friends outside of work. Like they never grew up and are still in the 'I can only get friends at my school/class'-mindset from when they were young. The best people I know I met at places of my choosing, not at work, not at school. I work remote because my private life is so demanding and I co…

The regular social circles of most adults do come from their occupations, simply because they spend such a large part of their waking hours there. There's nothing strange about that. If that's not the case for you, cheers, but empirically speaking, most people aren't lucky enough to have a vibrant and dynamic private and outside social life beyond work—least of all in the highly isolated, individualistic automobile landscape of America.

And so, of course, it comes as no surprise that people look to work to fill a lot of their social needs, and that coworkers play a big role in not only their job, but their life satisfaction.

Re: Working remotely, coworking spaces, and mental health

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post #91

For the last 2.5 years I've been working at DigitalOcean as a remote employee. DO has more than 50% of the staff remote. I think it's important that a large chunk of a company & team be remote, to be successful in the exercise, so that there be a forcing function to use asynchronous communications. It's been really life changing for me. We have a bunch of style of remotees; work from home, work from coffeeshop, work…

> then getting super depressive from loneliness I read this so often and can't understand it. It's like most people never get friends outside of work. Like they never grew up and are still in the 'I can only get friends at my school/class'-mindset from when they were young. The best people I know I met at places of my choosing, not at work, not at school. I work remote because my private life is so demanding and I co…

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Re: Working remotely, coworking spaces, and mental health

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Out of curiosity, do you have kids ? I bet the answer is no. I envy you that you can do it. Having young kids makes things like that more complicated. Still possible, but not optimal.

>Out of curiosity, do you have kids ? I bet the answer is no. I live a somewhat similar lifestyle( although not as extreme as gp ), I have 2 cats which that I leave with my girlfriend when I fly out. >I envy you that you can do it. I sometimes regret not having a structured lifestyle and warmth of family. I am envious of my friends with kids who are going with the flow of life and are not living in existential dread.…

> I sometimes regret not having a structured lifestyle and warmth of family. I am envious of my friends with kids who are going with the flow of life and are not living in existential dread. It's a classic human dilemma of freedom vs security.

I've been working remotely in a semi-nomadic manner for a few years now, and while on average I have no desire to give it up, this sentiment definitely pops up from time to time.

I find I oscillate between a desire to be in a place where nobody knows my name, and places where I'm (relatively) well known.

Working remotely grants me the opportunity to adjust my location and lifestyle accordingly.

Re: Working remotely, coworking spaces, and mental health

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I traveled like this with my family with 1 kid and a pregnant wife as well as with two young kids. I really enjoyed how having young kids acted as an ice breaker with people in other countries. We tried to stay in each place for at least a week at a time. We're wanting to settle down a little more now so we can have a stable social life and do more things like gardening, but I also know someone who has 3 kids and liv…

I'm curious: what did your kids do in a foreign country while you were working?

When one was only 1.5 years old, she mostly just stayed in a carrier on my wife's back while she explored the area, going on day trips and running errands like buying groceries (which in a foreign country can be fun on its own). When we had a 1 year old and a 3 year old, we were nomadic for about 2 months and we mostly found an airbnb for a week-month and drove on the weekends. During the day, the kids and wife would go to local playgrounds, public libraries, state parks, national parks, beaches and kids museums (a membership at one gets you a membership at most in the US).

Now that our oldest is about start kindergarten, we're more interested in staying in one place so she can make longer lasting friends, but when they were younger it was a lot of fun. The sweet spot for us was when they were too young to walk and could ride in the carrier for hours on end, or old enough to walk well and be interested in more activities and places. In between was harder: not wanting to be carried, but not really capable of walking for more than a few hundred feet at a time.

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