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Re: Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA

#81

>I have family in Europe Then if you specify country where they live may be you will get more specific answers.

London UK , and Italy Rome.

The job market in Italy (and Rome) is a very closed circle: hard to get into. Best jobs are in the defence sector but those require clearance.

Re: Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA

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Prepare to be much worse financially. You will earn less, pay higher taxes (as percentage) and will feel much poorer. Cars, especially nice ones, are much more expensive (in absolute numbers, not only as percentage of income) to buy and own. Petrol is several times the US price. Rents are higher in most cities (at least compared to income). Maybe only SV is worse compared to Europe. All tech gadgets are more expensiv…

Are you trying to spread fud? Because everything you said is either plain wrong or made to sound worse than it is. 1. All prices in europe include tax, unlike in the US where it's customary to not include tax in the price and pay it at checkout. Stuff tends to be more expensive not just because of VAT but also because of shipping prices and extra consumer protections such as mandatory 2 year warranties. 2. Just like…

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Re: Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA

#83

EU citizen currently living in the US here. Hugely recommended, if only for comparison purposes. From my own experience, English speaking countries are a must. If that's not an option, cities like Barcelona or Berlin should cover your bases for at least a year, but you won't survive for long without speaking Spanish or German. There are more things than work in life, and you'll soon get tired of only dealing with exp…

>Scandinavian countries

All or some of them? e.g. I've read on HN that there is a lot of software work in Sweden, but how about Norway, Finland and Denmark?

Re: Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA

#84

I dont know the specifics as i'm not a US citizen, but to my knowledge, i think if you earn a wage in another country outside the US, you will have to pay the local taxes and also tax back to the US Gov as well. Someone please correct me or clarify if i'm wrong.

There is AFAIK an allowance of up to around US$ 100,000 for wages and similar income, BUT you will have to file taxes on both countries, some reference:

http://www.expatinfodesk.com/expat-guide/nationality-specifi...

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/fore...

In the real world, unless you are a "top notch" executive or programmer, etc. it is not-so-easy to reach that amount with European wages.

Re: Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA

#85
I assume you want a career as a software engineer.

This is my list:

- Berlin: cheap (getting expensive quick, but still cheap for a large city), multicultural (many, many people from all around the world, lots of people speak English, those who don't usually understand you), Germans themselves are very open and interesting as a nation. Berlin has a vibrant startup scene, which is nice for getting your first job as a young person with little experience. The downside is that there is not many serious software companies nor industry. Salaries are VERY low compared with the US. German is not required for normal life, but highly recommended. Some companies still prefer people with German.

- London: Has many, many companies and is usually on the bleeding edge technology-wise. Payroll is nice, although prices and rent are high. You won't have to learn a new language and will be able to compete for all the job offers as long as your profile fits in. The downside is the imminent Brexit, which might be good or bad, nobody knows right now.

- Zurich: once you are +30 and look for a more quiet, stable lifestyle, Switzerland is the place to be. Salaries are US-level, health care, security, public transportation and stability are the best in Europe (Norway might be better though, but very close). It's VERY expensive, although if you come from NY or from the Bay Area, rents are more or less in the same ballpark. The language barrier is comparable as in Germany, although Swiss people usually prefer when people speak English rather than standard German with foreign accent. Swiss people might be a bit tough to crack, but are not that bad once you know how to treat them. In the Zurich area there is tons and tons of companies, lots of innovation going on as well. Finance is very strong. Biotech is growing pretty strong.

I have 2 recommendations for you:

a) Go to Berlin, and then start looking around. It's a really cool place to be for 26-year-old.

b) Go to London, you will have a much easier start and there is enough companies for an adventurous career.

Re: Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA

#86

Man, you have a very vauable asset for a tech career - a US Citizenship. I am very envious of folks who have it. The tech career opportunities outside of US are really not that diverse and are heavily scattered across the world - i.e. maybe the rest of the world combined is as interesting tech-wide as US is - but with lower salary and language/immigration barriers (i.e. try job-hopping, over a span of say 5 years, fr…

I agreee with you. As a mexican with no college degree (I'm entirely self-taught), one of my 'career dreams' is to work at a company like Airbnb, Uber, Google, Facebook, etc, but the lack of work visa, or in this case, US citizenzhip, makes it IMPOSSIBLE for me unless I do some crazy stuff like getting an O-1 visa (extraordinary ability). I was offered a Product Design position at Medium but I couldn't move forward because of the visa. I was very sad.

In contrast, working in Europe or Canada is easier because getting a work or resident visa is smoother, but the salary cut is way too much.

Re: Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA

#87
What I would do is visit the places you're interested in first without committing to staying. Buy a rail pass and travel from city to city, get a feel of each city for a week or two, network with the people you want to associate with and once you're done, or find something you feel like is exactly what you're looking for start arranging the actual move and getting a job in the city of your choice.

Re: Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA

#88

EU citizen currently living in the US here. Hugely recommended, if only for comparison purposes. From my own experience, English speaking countries are a must. If that's not an option, cities like Barcelona or Berlin should cover your bases for at least a year, but you won't survive for long without speaking Spanish or German. There are more things than work in life, and you'll soon get tired of only dealing with exp…

I strongly recommend learning German if living in Berlin, but I also know a bunch of Americans living there who get by fine on ten words of German for the grocery store, and the rest all happens in English.

Re: Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA

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Prepare to be much worse financially. You will earn less, pay higher taxes (as percentage) and will feel much poorer. Cars, especially nice ones, are much more expensive (in absolute numbers, not only as percentage of income) to buy and own. Petrol is several times the US price. Rents are higher in most cities (at least compared to income). Maybe only SV is worse compared to Europe. All tech gadgets are more expensiv…

Don't know why you are being downvoted - what you write is in general correct.

Parent is being downvoted because what they wrote is in general incorrect.

Re: Ask HN: Thinking of moving to Europe from USA

#90
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I only have my personal experience and that of my family and friends. And I didn't say "low". Usually it's highly bureaucratic - you have to "climb a ladder" of doctors. First your GP, then a specialist, then, maybe a hospital. You wait a lot (sometimes weeks and months, because you are not "emergency"). And sometimes you encounter outright incompetence and have to go to a private doctor/hospital to have your…

What countries? My experiences are excellent in Netherlands & Spain public healthcare. I hear people complain about NHS a lot but never used it so no idea.

The NHS is very highly regarded in the UK as one of their greatest accomplishment. Brits are proud of their healthcare :)
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