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I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

smikhanov wrote: post #57
mistermann wrote: post #16

Considering there are probably many thousands of developer hours invested in this, I hope Fog Creek invests ten or thirty hours into making some quick and dirty youtube videos showing starting from scratch and building out a a few full apps with persistence, some integrations, etc so we can see what that involves. I still don't completely understand what GoMix is exactly from the video shown here.

No, please, not a video — this is the most inefficient way of conveying information about a product aimed at developers. Just write a well-structured text tutorial.

While I agree the numbers seem to be on the side of videos as far as I can tell.

Honestly I would like if they did both. Sometimes I like to just listen to videos while I'm doing other things and sometimes I like to be able to just skim through an article.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by janwillemb »

redsummer wrote: post #68

Anil Dash seems like a deeply creepy guy. He inserts race into everything: https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/336853407698657280 He gets people fired for making jokes: http://archive.is/ddDFz I'm sure Gomix will have some level of success, though I have no idea what it is from his post - which just seems to be about how his is now CEO and all the glory is his. I wonder how his team feel about that? Perhaps some o…

One tweet != everything

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by EugeneOZ »

ayanray wrote: post #66
EugeneOZ wrote: post #53

One more tool for managers and non-tech product owners, to sell them idea "any cool app can be made just by few clicks of mouse, your dreams will come true, developers are lying about complexity". And in reality all of these "just copy-paste from github" will require tons of work to integrate, because in reality 3 party plugins are not so carefully prepared for Gomix as in their video presentation.

As an aside, does anyone have a list of tools that are in this category of "One more tool for managers and non-tech product owners, to sell them idea \"any cool app can be made just by few clicks of mouse, your dreams will come true\"". What's a good place to find such tools?

Even if you are trolling, good example of such products: PHPMaker. I hate it wholeheartedly as a programmer, but if you like tools like this - you will be satisfied :)

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by kpil »

smikhanov wrote: post #57
mistermann wrote: post #16

Considering there are probably many thousands of developer hours invested in this, I hope Fog Creek invests ten or thirty hours into making some quick and dirty youtube videos showing starting from scratch and building out a a few full apps with persistence, some integrations, etc so we can see what that involves. I still don't completely understand what GoMix is exactly from the video shown here.

No, please, not a video — this is the most inefficient way of conveying information about a product aimed at developers. Just write a well-structured text tutorial.

I have noticed that a lot of young people have never learned to read fast or skim large documents.

My guess is that is the reason we're tortured with hours long videos with very little content.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by mmjaa »

redsummer wrote: post #68

Anil Dash seems like a deeply creepy guy. He inserts race into everything: https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/336853407698657280 He gets people fired for making jokes: http://archive.is/ddDFz I'm sure Gomix will have some level of success, though I have no idea what it is from his post - which just seems to be about how his is now CEO and all the glory is his. I wonder how his team feel about that? Perhaps some o…

I think Anil Dash is a creep. His involvement in Gomix and Fog Creek means I'm less interested in those projects, frankly. I think he's one of the bigger blowhards in this scene, and I don't see the value in his participation, given that he seems more interested in social engineering his way to the top than .. you know .. actual engineering.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by JofArnold »

vortico wrote: post #9

A few years ago I got into the habit of using alternate languages to HTML, CSS, and Javascript---namely Pug, Stylus, and Coffeescript---and I'm physically unable to use the originals any more. Are these supported by Gomix?

I don't know the answer, but whoever down voted OP is an ass. Its a perfectly reasonable question. So what if OPs skills are different to yours.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by te_chris »

user5994461 wrote: post #45

1/4 of the article about what is Fog Creek and how well everyone knows it. 1/4 of the article about culture and other guys and... I don't know what the hell it's talking about. I'm not even bothering reading half the sentence anymore. 1/4 Then it's talking about other unrelated products now? Outlook something. > "Gomix brings back the fun of the “view source” web" Oh finally. I had to re-read the article 3 times to f…

Yawn. Does this genre of comment have to be top of every thread?

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by nzjrs »

te_chris wrote: post #78
user5994461 wrote: post #45

1/4 of the article about what is Fog Creek and how well everyone knows it. 1/4 of the article about culture and other guys and... I don't know what the hell it's talking about. I'm not even bothering reading half the sentence anymore. 1/4 Then it's talking about other unrelated products now? Outlook something. > "Gomix brings back the fun of the “view source” web" Oh finally. I had to re-read the article 3 times to f…

Yawn. Does this genre of comment have to be top of every thread?

It's warranted in this case as it's responding to the worst launch post I can recall reading.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Post by gkoberger »

vortico wrote: post #9

A few years ago I got into the habit of using alternate languages to HTML, CSS, and Javascript---namely Pug, Stylus, and Coffeescript---and I'm physically unable to use the originals any more. Are these supported by Gomix?

I don't see why they wouldn't be supported. It's just a regular Node/Express app, so you can include whatever modules you need.
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