Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by Godel_unicode » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 8:56 AM UTC

irq wrote: post #249

Godel_unicode wrote: post #234

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That's the thing I find really interesting about this debate; one of the things that creates excitement for me with new Android devices is customizing it to work exactly how I want. Turning things off, changing default behaviours, IFTTT-ing the device until it's hard for anyone else to actually use. Same with Precision Touchpad laptops (Dell XPS 15 for instance), changing all the swipe gestures to work exactly how I…

Please don't ever design something meant for public use :)

You don't want designers who realize that everyone doesn't share their taste in how things are configured?

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by kevinh » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 9:00 AM UTC

Godel_unicode wrote: post #244

tenpies wrote: post #129

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> I pull out my iPhone 4S running iOS 6 Does iOS still spam you multiple times per day to "upgrade" to the latest version of iOS? That sort of constant nagging has me seriously thinking of ditching Apple products entirely.

Serious question: why do you not use the "upgrade during off-hours" option? With my iPad it usually takes a few times because it's not on the charger that often. I always assumed a phone would be (I'm on Android).

I assume they don't want to upgrade. I wish I had just put up with the incessant upgrade nagging/trickery because of how much I dislike iOS 10, especially with how much they changed basic stuff that I have muscle memory for.

I actually wish I could go back to iOS 6, but I've never been a fan of the flat UI style.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by greendesk » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 9:01 AM UTC

legodt wrote: post #263

ihuman wrote: post #125

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I just keep mine connected to my headphones, since I use them more with my iPhone than a computer. Also someone made a cool keychain to attach it to if that works better for you. [1] > expensive spare dongles They're only $10 USD. [1] https://uncourage.com/

Why are people so desperate to defend this clearly user hostile move? A dongle is a poor user experience and continues to degrade user experience over time. The fact that there was a market demand for a "cool" keychain shows how unnecessary the removal of the jack was. Believe it or not, people enjoy using things without unnecessary accessories that you have to keep track of and swap around

I do not like the audio jack in my phone. Sometimes the headphones slide halfway out and the sound gets distorted.

I, for one, agree with the decision to let go of the audio jack.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by whywhywhywhy » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 9:04 AM UTC

vikingcaffiene wrote: post #191

I've had the 7 for a few months and I am considering returning it. The phone is overall solid build quality but uninspired/boring. There are flaws that make this model a definite downgrade from previous models. I buy Apple products because of the thoughtful little details they pay attention to that you didn't know you wanted till you noticed it. Its a super high bar to be sure but its one that is part of their brand…

> There are flaws that make this model a definite downgrade from previous models

Only if you go back to the 5, in form factor/design it's an upgrade in absolutely every way over the abysmal 6-series apart from the headphone jack.

Back of the 6 is full of dirty antenna lines, the materials it was made out of look and feel cheap and slippy, the camera wart is just another component stuck to the back.

7 has a premium black option again finally that provides much needed grippyness, camera thought still warty is an equal distance from the edge not lopsided and actually machined out the case, antenna lines are finally almost invisible again.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by Angostura » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 9:07 AM UTC

doomlaser wrote: post #228

saurik wrote: post #212

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> They need to get rid of 3D touch, get rid of double-tap one-hand accessibility mode whatever it's called, get rid of weird swipes from the edge, fix the horrible inconsistencies in the way autocorrect works... This is the same bullshit Apple has been doing with Mac OS X. I'm typing away in the terminal, doing something extremely productive, and suddenly my UI locks up for a second and I realize "shit, I must have a…

It's one of the critical flaws of Apple's modern design philosophy: Having a right mouse button would be too complicated, but hiding layers of complicated functionality through opaque multi-finger gestures, taps, and keyboard modifiers is A-OK. And it's absolutely true that when Apple adds a new feature, it must have an accompanying slow animation tween to sell it. Frustrating.

Since Apple has completely supported right mouse for 20 or so years now, I just think you're confused

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by Dylan16807 » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 9:08 AM UTC

kalleboo wrote: post #199

monkmartinez wrote: post #130

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Only $10??? That is a lot of money for something that shouldn't be needed in the first place. I haven't spent $10 dollars on my phone since I bought a case for it in 2013. Then again, I have expandable memory and a headphone jack (Galaxy Note 3).

Why bother with expandable memory if you haven't bought a memory card for it in over 3 years?

It matters less as phone storage finally drops below $1 per GB, but traditionally it was not fun to pay 5x as much as a good-quality microSD, and that's if they even have the option to put in enough in the first place.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by snovv_crash » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 9:16 AM UTC

adamlett wrote: post #248

Godel_unicode wrote: post #240

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The USB-A/microUSB strawman notwithstanding, USB-C has the capabilities you're talking about (easy to insert, reversible). Given that USB-C requires roughly the same vertical space as the headphone jack, the one thing lightning has going for it from my perspective is that it works in a phone too thin for a headphone jack.

USB-C didn’t exist when the Lightning connector was introduced.

It did when the iPhone7 was released, and had already been released on quite a few Android phones.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by OkGoDoIt » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 9:16 AM UTC

spacehacker wrote: post #124

jblow wrote: post #93

Usually I have upgraded, but I currently have no intention of buying an iPhone 7 or later, unless they fix something! For me it's a double whammy. I don't like the lack of headphone jack, and whereas I feel like I could manage grumpily ... for me it kills the excitement of buying the new device, and I think that is important. (My standard listening headphones are Etymotic ER-4Ps; there is no way I am going to downgra…

How does iOS compare to Android these days regarding everyday concerns like sluggishness, app switching, text editing?

The one major area where I think Android leads (at least stock Android, Nexus, Pixel) is text input. The voice typing on android is significantly more accurate than on iOS, and has been my biggest hurdle in getting used to iOS. I know few people find voice typing practical, but once you get used to it it makes pecking out words manually feel incredibly inefficient by comparison. Also the android keyboard swipe technology works very well, and I miss that a lot on iOS. I know you can technically install third-party keyboards, but they tend to not work very well due to iOS restrictions, plus then you completely lose access to voice typing and I'm not willing to give that up even if it's inferior on iOS. Since switching to iOS from android a year ago, I still type significantly slower and with many more typos than on android. If I could use android's keyboard and voice typing on iOS it would be the perfect device.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by cma » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 9:19 AM UTC

saurik wrote: post #212

jblow wrote: post #93

Usually I have upgraded, but I currently have no intention of buying an iPhone 7 or later, unless they fix something! For me it's a double whammy. I don't like the lack of headphone jack, and whereas I feel like I could manage grumpily ... for me it kills the excitement of buying the new device, and I think that is important. (My standard listening headphones are Etymotic ER-4Ps; there is no way I am going to downgra…

> They need to get rid of 3D touch, get rid of double-tap one-hand accessibility mode whatever it's called, get rid of weird swipes from the edge, fix the horrible inconsistencies in the way autocorrect works... This is the same bullshit Apple has been doing with Mac OS X. I'm typing away in the terminal, doing something extremely productive, and suddenly my UI locks up for a second and I realize "shit, I must have a…

I was telling my dad over the phone to drag a file, and it wouldn't work. Apparently if he pressed too hard it engaged force touch or whatever and would just drop the file randomly. It dropped it in a random folder and he couldn't find it again.

They really started screwing up the core UI with just adding things for the sake of adding things.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by Washuu » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 9:21 AM UTC

legodt wrote: post #263

ihuman wrote: post #125

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I just keep mine connected to my headphones, since I use them more with my iPhone than a computer. Also someone made a cool keychain to attach it to if that works better for you. [1] > expensive spare dongles They're only $10 USD. [1] https://uncourage.com/

Why are people so desperate to defend this clearly user hostile move? A dongle is a poor user experience and continues to degrade user experience over time. The fact that there was a market demand for a "cool" keychain shows how unnecessary the removal of the jack was. Believe it or not, people enjoy using things without unnecessary accessories that you have to keep track of and swap around

I think the best use case for a dongle would be the first MacBook Pro I bought. They had phased out the VGA port for a DVI port, but included a DVI to VGA adapter in the box. The great thing about that is it simple a physical wiring adapter with no other logic inside. It worked well and no one complained since carrying the adapter in the bag with the laptop is not a big deal.

In the case of the iPhone 7 the laptop bag is my pocket which has much more limited space and a hard connector getting situated in the wrong spot could end up being uncomfortable until readjusted. Additionally it is not just a wiring adapter. The Lighting to 3.5mm adapter actually contains a DAC and ADC inside of it which unfortunately causes the audio quality to suffer slightly compared to a higher quality dedicated DAC/ADC solution inside the phone.

http://ifixit.org/blog/8448/apple-audio-adapter-teardown/