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I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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I love Gomix. I spent the past weekend helping a friend migrate a static front-end only CSS skin they had made over to a live server on Gomix. That friend has moved onto running webpack and babel locally to do more advanced stuff, but Gomix was a godsend in helping demonstrate to him that the problemspace isn't as horrifyingly large as he expected. We communicated and "code reviewed" via writing comments to each othe…

This sounds forced/scripted beyond belief. It really reads like an Amazon review written in exchange of a product:

> I love my FooBar 2001. I spent the past weekend migrating my dishwasher's contents into my new FooBar 2001 and it was a very pleasant experience. I was intimidated by how much work it would be at first but to my surprise it was A BREEZE. I'm so happy now with my new Foobar 2001 that I will probably use my dishwasher as a litterbox.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to this other post this Anil guy has attempted to bully and blackball a founder from our industry. http://www.lorenfeldman.com/anil-dash-is-a-coward-liar-and-b... If this is true, and it seems true, no founder in Silicon Valley should do business or in any way support Anil Dash in anything. I would chastise Joel Spolsky and that other guy too, but it seems unnecessary given the destruction they're inflictin…

This is a time when I'm glad HN highlights new accounts. A train of green accounts making personal attacks is pretty self-explanatory.

Yeah HN has anonymous accounts so people can speak more freely. I have a day job and I bet this guy knows the CEO at my company and could probably get me fired. I just want to state my position, not create an escalating personal war with the guy. But if I was wealthy I would call him out in my own name as loudly as possible. In my opinion there are few worse things you can do then try to blackball someone from an industry. I think it's grounds for your own excommunication.

From his own web site:

http://anildash.com/2013/09/my-meeting-with-pax.html

"He flat out said that he wants his startup to be funded and wasn't sure if it'd be possible after all of his, and I replied that it realistically wasn't going to happen without the say-so of someone like me, and I wasn't inclined to give some VC the nod on this. On reflection, I'll be explicit: If you're a venture capitalist, and you invest in Pax's startup without a profound, meaningful and years-long demonstration of responsibility from Pax beforehand, you're complicit in extending the tech industry's awful track record of exclusion, and it's unacceptable."

This is clearly a threat that Anil Dash will make trouble for any VC that funds him. This truly sounds so unethical that it might be criminal extortion.

I have no history or relationship with him. I just came across someone publicly trying to use his power against a fellow founder and I wanted to publicly (and anonymously) despise him for it.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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I really like the spirit of this, and I hate to be the gnu in the room, but the only thing holding this back is that it's centralised. Again, I totally get how that might sound stupid. "How can we have nice things if we always need to solve the decentralisation problem first?", is one of a billion reasonable responses to my comment, but I'm just a guy who has gotten his heart broken before by the likes of Geocities,…

What's wrong with being centralized? It's just a prototyping platform. I doubt anyone would build a production app on this. I recently used it to play with websockets and being centralized was the main reason it worked so well.

I was hoping it would be for production apps...

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to this other post this Anil guy has attempted to bully and blackball a founder from our industry. http://www.lorenfeldman.com/anil-dash-is-a-coward-liar-and-b... If this is true, and it seems true, no founder in Silicon Valley should do business or in any way support Anil Dash in anything. I would chastise Joel Spolsky and that other guy too, but it seems unnecessary given the destruction they're inflictin…

This is a time when I'm glad HN highlights new accounts. A train of green accounts making personal attacks is pretty self-explanatory.

If what they're saying is true, they've good reason not to use their real accounts.

Kind of a messed up world when follower counts can have a chilling effect.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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1/4 of the article about what is Fog Creek and how well everyone knows it. 1/4 of the article about culture and other guys and... I don't know what the hell it's talking about. I'm not even bothering reading half the sentence anymore. 1/4 Then it's talking about other unrelated products now? Outlook something. > "Gomix brings back the fun of the “view source” web" Oh finally. I had to re-read the article 3 times to f…

I think we need to replace the link with the actual product release.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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One more tool for managers and non-tech product owners, to sell them idea "any cool app can be made just by few clicks of mouse, your dreams will come true, developers are lying about complexity". And in reality all of these "just copy-paste from github" will require tons of work to integrate, because in reality 3 party plugins are not so carefully prepared for Gomix as in their video presentation.

As an aside, does anyone have a list of tools that are in this category of "One more tool for managers and non-tech product owners, to sell them idea \"any cool app can be made just by few clicks of mouse, your dreams will come true\"". What's a good place to find such tools?

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, two things. I used to really respect Joel Spolsky. I've read all of his stuff and really liked it. But I can't help thinking that Fog Creek just isn't that important of a company. As a decidedly "technical" person, I don't know a single person that uses any of their products. And I really do mean, zero . I know plenty of people that use git, IntelliJ, github, Stack Overflow, Twilio, AWS, Firebase, Google Cloud Pl…

"I don't know a single person that uses any of their products." I would say, Fog Creek created one of the most important pieces of software in history and one of the most used. It is called "Stack Overflow". Sure. Quote how they are technically are not owned by FogCreek and Joel is just a CEO there. But that is lawyers, you know, lawyer-ing. "In 2008, Jeff Atwood and Joel Spolsky created Stack Overflow, a question-an…

"Retrofitting" SO to have been made by FogCreek is obviously to put the company in some better light. It was Jeff that came to Joel and had this idea, and it was not implemented within FogCreek.

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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Anil Dash seems like a deeply creepy guy.

He inserts race into everything: https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/336853407698657280

He gets people fired for making jokes: http://archive.is/ddDFz

I'm sure Gomix will have some level of success, though I have no idea what it is from his post - which just seems to be about how his is now CEO and all the glory is his. I wonder how his team feel about that? Perhaps some of them are white, so the team doesn't matter?

Re: I'm at Fog Creek, and we're introducing Gomix

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a time when I'm glad HN highlights new accounts. A train of green accounts making personal attacks is pretty self-explanatory.

Yeah HN has anonymous accounts so people can speak more freely. I have a day job and I bet this guy knows the CEO at my company and could probably get me fired. I just want to state my position, not create an escalating personal war with the guy. But if I was wealthy I would call him out in my own name as loudly as possible. In my opinion there are few worse things you can do then try to blackball someone from an ind…

Oh my. I almost wish you hadn't posted that link, or that I hadn't clicked it. But I guess I'm grateful.

> I hope that Pax's friends in the pick up artist community take a few moments away from writing date rape manuals and sending me death threats to reflect on the fact that their new hero has at least some tiny bit of respect for the wife he's been married to for 15 years. How crushed they will be.

> Pax showed up about 10 minutes late, having been busy with the latest stop on his press tour, and as I had agreed, I called him an asshole to his face and paid for his coffee. We talked for about 20 minutes. He offered up a pretty boringly conventional defense of male privilege, and when I described the role of actual satire and comedy in punching up instead of punching down, he revealed that he sees attacking feminists and equality activists as punching up. There was some pointless bickering from me about the inanity of that perspective, but overall things were fairly civil; I've met guys like this before and I didn't have any illusion that I was going to dissuade him from a perspective which his social group rewards with attention and the perverse impression that acting like an asshole is somehow being brave.

This is the new CEO of Fog Creek? In all fairness, he did say he was "fighting off a brutal chest cold". But WTF? I've had chest colds too, so has everyone. They never provoked me to being this nasty, whatever the reason.

I am sad. I thought Joel had some interesting insights, and Fog Creek was involved in some truly interesting and useful products like Stack Overflow and Trello.

But if someone like that is now running the show, it doesn't give me much hope for their future products.

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