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Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by masklinn »

munchbunny wrote: post #191
xeromal wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about a surfacebook?

Apparently Linux is a bit finicky on it? I use a Surface Book as my main computer and it's absolutely wonderful. I get a PC in tablet form with a pressure-sensitive stylus when I want a tablet and I get a moderately beefy laptop with a dedicated GPU when I want a laptop.

> I use a Surface Book as my main computer

I've heard that it's fantastic hardware but had lots of software and driver teething problem, what's your experience with that?

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by nathas »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #212
Waterluvian wrote: post #22

I want to be excited by a good non-Apple laptop. But they're all just so terribly designed. They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy, have grills and screw holes and uneven surfaces and stickers everywhere. I had a T530 for a few years at my first job and just hated it. It had fantastic specs but it felt awful and unreliable and like I had to babysit it. I got a 2015 MBP to replace it after IT damag…

>> I want to be excited by a good non-Apple laptop. But they're all just so terribly designed. They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy, have grills and screw holes and uneven surfaces and stickers everywhere. Is this really a serious reason to buy a laptop, or not, the design? You buy a computer because of its performance, not its appearance- which is something completely subjective in the first pl…

For me it has nothing to do with appearance - it has to do with feel.

My job provides me with an HP Ultrabook. When I type on it, the plastic near the trackpad creaks. If I bought it retail it's something like $1400. And it creaks.

If I'm spending $1400 on a piece of technology I expect to have for 3-5 years, and I'm going to be hauling it between locations (on-call schedule) I really need to feel like "Yeah, this won't get broken if I accidentally put something a little heavy on top of it (e.g. in my bag)".

It's partially a performance story, but I rather pay an extra $100-200 for a solid chassis that makes me think the motherboard won't bend when I put pressure from my wrists on it.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by s_kilk »

Waterluvian wrote: post #22

I want to be excited by a good non-Apple laptop. But they're all just so terribly designed. They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy, have grills and screw holes and uneven surfaces and stickers everywhere. I had a T530 for a few years at my first job and just hated it. It had fantastic specs but it felt awful and unreliable and like I had to babysit it. I got a 2015 MBP to replace it after IT damag…

Are there any Thinkpads for sale now that don't come with trash-tier displays?

I've been doing research, looking to replace this Macbook some time in the new year, and it looks like the new T470 is keeping the abysmal displays of the T460.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by NikolaNovak »

Waterluvian wrote: post #22

I want to be excited by a good non-Apple laptop. But they're all just so terribly designed. They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy, have grills and screw holes and uneven surfaces and stickers everywhere. I had a T530 for a few years at my first job and just hated it. It had fantastic specs but it felt awful and unreliable and like I had to babysit it. I got a 2015 MBP to replace it after IT damag…

Errr.... T530 had titanium cover and endoskeleton chassis. My friend routinely walks over his while it's powered on, as a demonstration. How is it possibly an example of a "plastic, flimsy, bendy" laptop?

Yes it has screw holes and grills... it's a working-person's laptop :). The new ones don't, because they're becoming more like apple - which means I cannot as easily replace battery, hard drive, memory, etc as I do on the older Thinkpads.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by s_kilk »

techwizrd wrote: post #187
Waterluvian wrote: post #22

I want to be excited by a good non-Apple laptop. But they're all just so terribly designed. They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy, have grills and screw holes and uneven surfaces and stickers everywhere. I had a T530 for a few years at my first job and just hated it. It had fantastic specs but it felt awful and unreliable and like I had to babysit it. I got a 2015 MBP to replace it after IT damag…

The Dell XPS 13 is great. It runs Linux very well. The WiFi is excellent. It's got an aluminum chassis. The part where your hands rest is carbon-fiber composite so it isn't cold in the morning. The HiDPI touch screen is incredible, and the performance is pretty amazing. There is a single hinge stretching across most of the laptop for the screen (like the Macbook), unlike the flimsy set of two hinges on most laptops.…

> It runs Linux very well.

I've been researching into the XPS series, and online there are plenty of reports of problems with Linux.

Can anyone here confirm first-hand that they have an XPS 13/15 that's running Linux flawlessly?

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by masklinn »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #28
nfoz wrote: post #19

They didn't fully learn the lesson of the Superfish fiasco: "X1 Carbon is available with Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Signature Edition. No more trialware or unwanted apps. No more distractions—and easy provisioning for IT pros." So do that with every version, and stop feeding people "unwanted apps" altogether. You just admitted that nobody wants them, and this irresponsible attitude is exactly why you got bopped for pre…

"Signature Edition" is a Microsoft concept, not a Lenovo one. [0] And there will always be trialware and unwanted apps as long as the company gets money from including these. Because who doesn't want free money? [0]: https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/Signatu...

You're missing the point. Yes Signature Edition is an unadulterated Windows install, nfoz is asking why they're selling anything else given "nobody wants them, and this irresponsible attitude is exactly why you got bopped for pre-installing the Superfish MITM malware"

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by vvanders »

xeromal wrote: post #161
Waterluvian wrote: post #22

I want to be excited by a good non-Apple laptop. But they're all just so terribly designed. They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy, have grills and screw holes and uneven surfaces and stickers everywhere. I had a T530 for a few years at my first job and just hated it. It had fantastic specs but it felt awful and unreliable and like I had to babysit it. I got a 2015 MBP to replace it after IT damag…

What about a surfacebook?

I'll second the surfacebook love. Was using an Asus ultrabook before this and the surfacebook(i7, discrete GPU) has just a bit more oomph that I needed.

Build quality is outstanding, tablet is great for browsing on the sofa and multi-pressure pen is awesome for photo editing. Chews through heavy compiling/development very well. Decent gaming for what it is.

I feel like Microsoft was trying to do the whole tablet PC back in early 2000s and I think that the surface book is the actual realization of what they were trying to achieve.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by vvanders »

masklinn wrote: post #221
munchbunny wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently Linux is a bit finicky on it? I use a Surface Book as my main computer and it's absolutely wonderful. I get a PC in tablet form with a pressure-sensitive stylus when I want a tablet and I get a moderately beefy laptop with a dedicated GPU when I want a laptop.

> I use a Surface Book as my main computer I've heard that it's fantastic hardware but had lots of software and driver teething problem, what's your experience with that?

Mine has been flawless so far, this is the newer one(performance base) with the discrete GPU.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by s_kilk »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #136
tbrock wrote: post #26

This looks like a very nice computer. I really applaud dell for trying to make the XPS 13 somewhat Linux friendly but they really do feel cheap. Lenovo thinkpads, while not having the quality they had during the IBM era, are still head and shoulders above Dell in this regard. This is the Linux laptop to get in 2017.

When I bought my notebook back in february, I went to a shop (cyberport) that had both the (then current) X1 carbon and the XPS 13 on display, which I figured were the only ones acceptable for developers. The X1's keyboard was larger, had more key travel and all, but was subjectively somewhat less comfortable to type on (matter of get using to, I suppose, but still). The X1 had a much worse display, and was overall b…

Any issues with Ubuntu? or did it all just work out of the box?

I'm really interested in the XPS 13/15, but don't want to end up with a brick.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by rajivm »

marcelluspye wrote: post #219
copperx wrote: post #172

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Decent machines indeed as long as you are close to a wall socket. Linux power management has a lot of growing up to do.

My experience with linux power management has been alright, or at least better than my expectations. I have an asus laptop that gets f *-all battery life under windows (either 8 or 10, though it seems to be worse now) but I can usually get at least 90 minutes more out of it under linux. It took some tweaking to get to that point, and I have no macbooks to compare it to, but I think the situation isn't as grim as I se…

I'm not sure if this is a fare comparison, but my MB Air can easily get 9-10 hours of battery life (if I don't run Chrome).
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