So it was just spearfishing, the poor man's hacking technique.
The techniques that NSA and MI6 use are far more advanced. Taking advantage of the networking equipment and injecting traffic.
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#22The poor man's hacking technique worked great.
Instead of focusing on the tools, focus on the results. I bet you're one of those people who uses microservices to run his 100 visitors/day blog just because it's the shiniest new paradigm.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Read the original CloudStrike report. Not the government report but the private security firm report. The government report is really just a restatement of that report. You don't track hackers for a decade to suddenly be wrong because of a governments political stance.
No idea why you're bringing politics into this. All I said was no evidence has been made public by the government.
Correct, no evidence has been made public by the government (yet). Much of their evidence is probably classified.
However, see here for evidence from private sector firms: https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/52uj5c/do_...
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Read the original CloudStrike report. Not the government report but the private security firm report. The government report is really just a restatement of that report. You don't track hackers for a decade to suddenly be wrong because of a governments political stance.
No idea why you're bringing politics into this. All I said was no evidence has been made public by the government.
> All I said was no evidence has been made public by the government
Except that's _explicitly_ not what you said. You said:
>still no public evidence that Russia leaked the DNC and Podesta's e-mails?
Your original claim was that there was _no public evidence_. When that claim was challenged, you pretended your claim was about what evidence was provided by the government.
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#26The poor man's hacking technique worked great. Instead of focusing on the tools, focus on the results. I bet you're one of those people who uses microservices to run his 100 visitors/day blog just because it's the shiniest new paradigm.
The results are that someone got into Podesta's gmail for some few days. The pros use methods that allow them to keep long term access and which keep you from knowing that you have been hacked to begin with.
Look at the NSA's TAO catalog for examples of how the pros work. You can wipe your servers and still be hacked.
I don't seriously believe that the NSA is out there sending phishing emails. They're too busy using ECHELON to hunt down sysadmins who are using their social media accounts, then taking over from there.
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Obviously the pizzagate stuff is stupid and unfounded. It does a great disservice to people that were victims of real sexual abuse. But can't you see the vast amount of corruption? The DNC rigged the primary for one candidate. We need to hold our political parties accountable for their actions.
They preferred a candidate, but 'rigging' implies fraudulently manipulating the votes, which didn't happen. I'd like to see the RNC's emails now. What kind of dirt do the republicans have? Is it not being released because it's being used to blackmail them?
Despite some unsubstantiated rumors, there is no proof they were ever hacked.
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#28Throwaway because I work in a related field.
This is a public service announcement: if you haven't seen enough information to prove to you, independent of the claims of the White House, CIA & FBI, that Russia was behind this, you should file a Freedom of Information Act Request for sufficient evidence to independently reach that conclusion. Citizens of the US in particular should do this to hold their government accountable -- we can not let it be accepted that because POTUS says something, and maybe has confirmation from "anonymous sources" within the CIA & FBI (e.g. as reported by the NYTimes[1]), that it must be true.
Muckrock[2] makes it dirt-simple to file a FOIA request. Hold the government accountable -- they work for us.
1: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-h... 2: https://www.muckrock.com
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What was the public interest in his lobster recipe? Or creating a paranoid frenzy that got shots fired at a Pizza place? Randomly dumping personal emails isn't the same as Ellsberg and Snowden working with reporters to blow the whistle on specific transgressions in war and mass surveillance. Interesting article exploring this issue of exercising discretion and developing new ethics in the age of leaks: http://www.nyt…
Obviously the pizzagate stuff is stupid and unfounded. It does a great disservice to people that were victims of real sexual abuse. But can't you see the vast amount of corruption? The DNC rigged the primary for one candidate. We need to hold our political parties accountable for their actions.
>But can't you see the vast amount of corruption?
Every time I see someone write something like this my knee jerk reaction is to either assume they're lying or they are clueless. Can you point to the vast amount of corruption you claim is self evident?
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The timing of the release of this document, at the same time as the announcement of sanctions on Russia for the hacking, can't be overlooked. It's quite reasonable to assume the release of this report was intended to create the impression of evidence for attribution, even if it actually contains no such thing. Otherwise why not release it on any other day to avoid confusion? It looks to me like the confusion was quit…
White House stated pretty clearly why the Grizzly Steppe report went out: "to better help network defenders in the United States and abroad identify, detect, and disrupt Russia’s global campaign of malicious cyber activities." https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/12/29/fact-... Attribution is sexy and the media likes to talk about it. I don't believe the confusion was intentional. The White House is prett…
> The White House is pretty bad at PR
They have a press secretary whose job is, literally, to manage the media. I'm honestly not sure if your post was intended as satire.
The meat of the report might as well have been copy pasted from OWASP. So if it's not to provide political cover for the yet-to-be-proven claims that Russia did it, they didn't get the message out.