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Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by [deleted] »

dom0 wrote: post #55
Waterluvian wrote: post #22

I want to be excited by a good non-Apple laptop. But they're all just so terribly designed. They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy, have grills and screw holes and uneven surfaces and stickers everywhere. I had a T530 for a few years at my first job and just hated it. It had fantastic specs but it felt awful and unreliable and like I had to babysit it. I got a 2015 MBP to replace it after IT damag…

The 13.3" Clevo is pretty much an unbranded Macbook Air (Google for Schenker S306 or https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/lafiteII/ )

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Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by abecedarius »

krisdol wrote: post #165
old-gregg wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When we got accepted into YCombinator back in 2011 (Mailgun), I remember PG looking at our Thinkpads running Linux and asking something along the lines of "what's wrong with you?" , with almost [1] all YC teams using Macbooks. I wonder if it's the Valley culture? There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad [2] for programmer productivity: the keyboard, the UltraNav, the swappable batteries (you can f…

You're in a thread responding to someone (who I happen to agree with as well) that disagrees with you on "There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad". It's a bit a of a bold claim. I disagree with you on the keyboard and the navigation. The solid aluminum construction of the MBP is one of the best aspects of it, next to the display. I've dropped the thing probably 20 times without issue. I will admi…

Curious: my 2012 X1 Carbon still runs about as long as ever from battery. (It never got 5 hours, more like 4.)

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by santoriv »

amiga-workbench wrote: post #160
old-gregg wrote: post #155

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When we got accepted into YCombinator back in 2011 (Mailgun), I remember PG looking at our Thinkpads running Linux and asking something along the lines of "what's wrong with you?" , with almost [1] all YC teams using Macbooks. I wonder if it's the Valley culture? There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad [2] for programmer productivity: the keyboard, the UltraNav, the swappable batteries (you can f…

I don't understand it either, the thing that always gets me is most developers setting up vagrant on their Mac just to get a working environment. Cut the bullshit and just run Linux on the bare metal, your program will run faster, and your laptop battery life won't be halved. You will have to claw my x201 out of my cold dead hands, I've not found a single notebook (even the newer ThinkPads) that are as comfortable to…

Yeah I bought a pretty expensive Macbook Pro earlier this year and recently ended up switching from OSX to Ubuntu after I got tired of dealing with all sorts of random Docker issues. To my surprise, I've found Linux to feel faster and be somewhat more pleasant than OSX. Now I sometimes wish I had just spent half as much money getting a more powerful (bulkier) laptop that just ran Linux.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by tikhonj »

rayiner wrote: post #183
old-gregg wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When we got accepted into YCombinator back in 2011 (Mailgun), I remember PG looking at our Thinkpads running Linux and asking something along the lines of "what's wrong with you?" , with almost [1] all YC teams using Macbooks. I wonder if it's the Valley culture? There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad [2] for programmer productivity: the keyboard, the UltraNav, the swappable batteries (you can f…

> There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad [2] for programmer productivity: the keyboard, the UltraNav, the swappable batteries (you can fly around the world with a x260 + spare battery), a nice docking station Keyboard and UltraNav are more taste than anything else. I have a T450s for work and a 15" rMBP and vastly prefer the keyboard/touchpad on the latter. It doesn't help that Lenovo's QA is sh…

I have an X1 Yoga (a touchscreen equivalent of the X1 Carbon) with an OLED display and it's absolutely gorgeous. It's much better than the ~1 year old Mac Book Pro I have for work. The colors and contrast are incredible—it can even render a black that doesn't glow at all.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by itaysk »

I have recently upgraded form 4 year old X1 Carbon to new X1 Yoga. Bottom line is I'd recommend the X1 Yoga over the Carbon.

Here is my original X1 Carbon review: http://blog.itaysk.com/2013/05/04/lenovo-x1-carbon-touch-rev... And here are my thoughts on the X1 Yoga: http://blog.itaysk.com/2016/12/30/from-lenovo-x1-carbon-to-l...

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by emidln »

rayiner wrote: post #183
old-gregg wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When we got accepted into YCombinator back in 2011 (Mailgun), I remember PG looking at our Thinkpads running Linux and asking something along the lines of "what's wrong with you?" , with almost [1] all YC teams using Macbooks. I wonder if it's the Valley culture? There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad [2] for programmer productivity: the keyboard, the UltraNav, the swappable batteries (you can f…

> There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad [2] for programmer productivity: the keyboard, the UltraNav, the swappable batteries (you can fly around the world with a x260 + spare battery), a nice docking station Keyboard and UltraNav are more taste than anything else. I have a T450s for work and a 15" rMBP and vastly prefer the keyboard/touchpad on the latter. It doesn't help that Lenovo's QA is sh…

Lenovo is infamous for shipping shitty RAM / Disk options. You often can't buy appropriately maxed out hardware from them. A few years ago, I was procuring a few Thinkpad W520 for a new team and at no point did they offer a 500gb or larger SSD. The 384GB drive they had was an extra grand. I bought the machines in max cpu/graphics config and ordered ram and disks separately. Nobody on the team had an issue using a screwdriver for 5 minutes of their life.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by tikhonj »

jsz0 wrote: post #170
josteink wrote: post #140

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> They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy The Carbon X1 is made from carbon fiber. It super-robust and light-weight at the same time. It feels light years ahead of the super-heavy aluminium-nonsense Apple is trying to peddle. Count me happy my laptop doesn't double as a bench-press.

> Count me happy my laptop doesn't double as a bench-press. ThinkPad X1 Carbon: Starting at 2.6 lbs (1209 g) MacBook Pro 13: Weight: 3.02 pounds (1.37 kg)

It's worth noting that thanks to a clever configuration, the X1's 14" screen and keyboard are a bit bigger than the MacBook—enough so that it feels significantly more roomy while only being a little bit bigger. (It barely fits into my bag designed for 13" laptops—but it fits!)

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by masklinn »

old-gregg wrote: post #155
josteink wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're always some sort of plastic, feel flimsy and bendy The Carbon X1 is made from carbon fiber. It super-robust and light-weight at the same time. It feels light years ahead of the super-heavy aluminium-nonsense Apple is trying to peddle. Count me happy my laptop doesn't double as a bench-press.

When we got accepted into YCombinator back in 2011 (Mailgun), I remember PG looking at our Thinkpads running Linux and asking something along the lines of "what's wrong with you?" , with almost [1] all YC teams using Macbooks. I wonder if it's the Valley culture? There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad [2] for programmer productivity: the keyboard, the UltraNav, the swappable batteries (you can f…

> There is no way a Macbook can compete with a proper Thinkpad

Your criticisms are pretty almost all a matter of taste, and we're in disagreement just about throughout.

> I wonder if it's the Valley culture?

I'm not in the valley. I've never found any non-apple laptop with a good (or even decent) trackpad, and I like that OSX has a community of indie developers who actually care.

> the keyboard

I don't enjoy thinkpad keyboard.

> the UltraNav

Same as above but much stronger, I absolutely hate this thing, and I love Apple trackpad. In fact the trackpad is one a huge reason for remaining on Apple laptops despite other shortcomings: I can and even enjoy using MBPs without a mouse.

> the swappable batteries

have never been something I've needed, plus that requires carrying additional batteries.

> a nice docking station

Meh. "nice" is in the eye of the beholder, the thing's ugly as sin. And with type C/TB3, you can actually replicate it without being beholden to Apple (!).

> upgradeable storage/memory

That is indeed a really annoying "feature" of Apple over the last few years. Though of course you can get a maxed-out MBP.

> Linux distro

and I don't see that as an advantage.

> The gap is huge! If a Thinkpad is a 100, the prev. gen Macbook Pro would be 60

If you like thinkpads more power to you, but all my experiences with them were disappointing, I'd put the 2015 rMBP at 70 and the average thinkpad at 40, maybe 50.

Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by joatmon-snoo »

farresito wrote: post #118
user5994461 wrote: post #94

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Thinkpads T have a huge range of specs. For any reference, there are hundreds of sub-references with different combinations of hardware.

Yes. I was referring to the relationship price-specs. Unless things have changed, a 1000$ thinkpad T won't probably buy you more than 8gb, an i5, possibly still a HDD (hopefully not anymore). I suppose people that are used to Macs won't see a problem with this, since Macs tend to be quite expensive, but it's still a bit of money, although I would rather spend this than buy a laptop that doesn't work well, like plenty…

It's an unfortunate consequence of the ridiculous markups on hardware add-ons, but if you're willing to apply a little elbow grease and look at resellers, it's not too hard to get what you're looking for for 1000$.

New:

  * 818$: cheapest T460 on the website
    * +270$ for i3-6100u => i7-6600u
    * +390$ for 500GB HDD => 512GB SSD upgrade
    * +470$ for 4GB RAM => 32GB RAM
Here's your 1000$ build:

  * 700$ for a T460 with an i5 on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?LH_Sold=1&_udlo=700&_dmd=1&_ipg=200&LH_Complete=1&_sop=15&_nkw=t460%20i5)
  * 170$ for a 500GB 850 EVO (https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E500B-AM/dp/B00OBRE5UE)
  * 108$ to 170$ for Crucial's 16GB RAM kits (depending on specific specs)
If you're willing to part with another 200$-300$:

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Re: ThinkPad X1 Carbon

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Post by jmiserez »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #113

Why is the webdesign so amateurish. I really don't understand these companies that can't put proper priority on having webpages that look really good and luxurious. Spend millions on great industrial design but can't spend the thousands for a decent sales page.

That was my first thought as well. The page just looks awful, even more so on mobile.
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