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Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Are we at the end of an era computing wise or is it just Apple? I wonder if computing technologies great transformation of our society is coming to an end. I also thought this in about 1993 and then again in the mid 2000s, so I'm probably wrong again. Maybe AI will be the new killer app that drives the next wave of upgrades.

Gunpei Yokoi (the designer of the Game Boy) had a philosophy "lateral thinking with withered technology". At the time this meant finding creative new form factors and uses for existing, highly commoditized, technology. There was nothing really special about the Game Boy, but it dominated the portable gaming market because of packaging and software.

The computing industry is now almost entirely commoditized, there's really nothing component-wise you can add that makes a huge difference, it's now about packaging, form factor, use-cases and software. Apple figured this out with the original iPhone. There were plenty of smart-phone devices on the market before then, but Apple figured out the lateral strategy and ended up owning the smartphone market for a few years. Nintendo's Game Boy also had portable gaming predecessors, but they nailed the size, cost and performance triangle.

Nintendo, just like Apple, had loads of portable gaming competitors, the list is endless. And just like Apple, didn't have a real competitor until a huge company with lots of staying power got involved (Sony). Now in many ways, Smartphones and cousin Tablets are Nintendo's competitors, again developed and sold by massive competitors with deep pockets (Samsung, Apple, etc.), but Nintendo's lateral thinking policy is still turning heads and making the company money.

Apple is now in a position where they need to think laterally again. They sort of tried with Smart Watches, but are those really reformulations of commidity hardware? They were pitched and sold very heavily as luxury lifestyle items and the market hasn't embraced them with the kind of fervor previous electro-gadgets were grabbed onto.

Apple's not hitting it either with the new MBP or the aging and impossibly priced Mac Pro trashcans. In fact the Mac Pro is a better example of what's wrong at Apple today than the MBP. It's a new form factor that doesn't provide any new use cases, gets rid of many of the other ones and is so overpriced and mismatched in features that nobody can quite figure out what they're supposed to be for.

Where we're seeing Yokoi-ing style thinking right now is at Microsoft. Repackaging existing hardware in new formulations, driving it with software (sometimes better than others), and then using that combination at reasonable price points to get product into consumer's hands and build profit options. There's now devices that run consistent software from tablet to wall-sized collaboration screens on the market, today, from Microsoft.

When a business person looks at a Surface, they see "light, portable, runs my business software, plus enables me to scribble notes" they get it and who it's for. Nobody can quite figure out who the new MBP or the Mac Pro is supposed to be for. They're still selling because Apple, but there's a real sense that Apple has started to lose the Golden Spark and is just making stuff to make stuff. They don't have a coherent philosophy anymore, it used to be "it just works" and those were glorious times and set laudable goals that I think drove them to innovate and make people centric and approachable machines. But that's gone, it's clearly gone, and they don't have a new corporate philosophy. I think it should be something Yokoi-like, because of the nature of the hardware available these days. But that's not where the company is either.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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The numbers coming out of Apple next quarter will be interesting. iPhone 7 has been underwhelming and reception to the latest MacBooks Pros has been mostly negative. And if sales are on a downhill trajectory, I wonder what the response inside of Apple will be.

I thought the same thing about the MacBook because of what you hear in the tech echo chamber. The reality is that I t's mostly bullshit -- the notebooks have been selling extremely well. The disgruntled "pro" audience is mostly bullshit. Intel isn't focusing very well on his category of product. Most of the PC OEMs have similar challenges -- faster laptops are bigger, have worse battery life and usually shittier scre…

Source on MBP sales? Are these launch sales figures or over a longer-term period?

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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That Apple might expect to sell fewer phones in the post-holiday quarter than the holiday quarter, that I buy. That sales are more sluggish than expected, I don't. At least not based on unsourced claims. I've seen reports like this so often that I don't think I'd know what to do if one didn't appear. And so far, they mostly happen on years that are later demonstrated to include record sales of the product we're told…

It isn't unsourced. They tell you the source in the article. This is from The Nikkei newspaper, as in The Nikkei Index. This is Japan's largest financial newspaper. It is original research performed by seasoned financial journalists. The Nikkei is actually the largest financial newspaper in the world, with a subscriber base of over 3M. Nikkei also owns the Financial Times among other assets. You've provided no reason…

Fake news isn't pervasive.

15 minutes later: parent edited "fake news" out of their comment.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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If that happened, Google would stop letting you install those.

And you'd likely see a fork with support of the major handset makers and companies like Amazon. Google has a lot of control thru Play Services, but something that hostile would be a recipe for a split.

They've been looking into getting rid of aosp for years by the means of neglecting it. So they'd just have to stop publishing the code.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Normally I'm not a fan of clickbait headlines, but the authors totally whiffed on "Apple to decimate iPhone production in the new year"

I'm really glad I just learned this definition of "decimate", can't wait to use this

You have a team of 10 devs, and blow a project? Draw straws, the loser gets fired.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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My buddy has purchased every new iPhone on release day since the first version. Every new iPhone except the 7. He said "The one I have now is the last one I'll buy". He's not willing to give up the headphone jack. I expect there are many more like him so a 10% reduction in production is to be expected. To be fair the 7 is slick and nice in a lot of ways.

I always bought every other iPhone. This year I got the iPhone 7 Plus and got on the every year upgrade plan... Put my girlfriend on the same plan.

Just another anecdotal story to pass around.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Better camera, better screen, faster, waterproof, more ram, Taptic Engine, nicer finish options, more durable home button, and on and on. It's a better phone in almost every measurable way.

I should start measuring the time I spend fishing around my cluttered desk looking for that stupid dongle because I'm now done with a Hangouts call on my laptop and would like to switch back to my phone to play a podcast. iPhone 7 will crush that metric! Oh wait, lower is better? Eph! There's also that time that it was 2pm and I still hadn't had lunch. I ended a Hangouts call, yanked my headphones out of my mbp, crui…

See, your problem is you need a 1/8" (male) to lightning (female) dongle that you leave on your laptop. Then switch to lightning headphones and you're all set. Because dongles magically fix everything.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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"Breaking: iPhones sold well around Christmas, sales declined after everyone bought a new one, just like last year. News at 10."

This is not what the article says. It isn't discussing quarter-over-quarter sales. It references year-over-year sales.

It is also discussing supply chain order volumes, which can indicate future expectations of sales by the company (Apple).

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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That Apple might expect to sell fewer phones in the post-holiday quarter than the holiday quarter, that I buy. That sales are more sluggish than expected, I don't. At least not based on unsourced claims. I've seen reports like this so often that I don't think I'd know what to do if one didn't appear. And so far, they mostly happen on years that are later demonstrated to include record sales of the product we're told…

It isn't unsourced. They tell you the source in the article. This is from The Nikkei newspaper, as in The Nikkei Index. This is Japan's largest financial newspaper. It is original research performed by seasoned financial journalists. The Nikkei is actually the largest financial newspaper in the world, with a subscriber base of over 3M. Nikkei also owns the Financial Times among other assets. You've provided no reason…

Please tell me you don't buy the "the internet is full of fake news" narrative that dying traditional media industry is peddling...

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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it's more efficient, It would need to be to run on the slower processors available to non-Apple companies. You can just do more with Androids What more, specifically?

My biggest examples are: Notifications. You can react immediately to notifications on Android (e.g. respond to a chat message without opening the app). You have them at the front and they are not gone after seeing them once hidden somewhere in a back menu (whcih is kind of important for reminders). Keyboard. I have this phone for a year now? It still doesn't know sh*t about guessing my words. And you can't just slide…

Notifications: You can slide down on, say, a text message notification to open a text box where you can immediately respond. Otherwise if the phone is locked you swipe, unlock the phone, and it takes you to the app. You can also swipe down from the top edge to get a list of recent notifications and things on your to-do list.

Keyboard: Apple's autocorrect is actually really good for me. There are times where I have typed completely garbled things and it was able to figure out what I Was actually saying. You can also add third party keyboards if you want. You might think it works less than it does because of selection bias.

Interface: whatever man.

Background processes: Personal Hotspot is the only one that's been finicky for me, but usually other apps work fine in the background for me. For example, I'm usually able to get Reddit/Messenger notifications pretty quickly.

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