US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

Post by ejstronge » Fri, Dec 30, 2016, 1:18 PM UTC

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Just as an example: 9% of the cases of Idiosyncratic Drug-induced Liver Injury is self-harm caused by people taking non-regulated dietary supplements: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18955056 You have a theory that the average person will wisely assume the responsibility to vet the health effects of what they consume, but empirical reality disagrees with your theory. Right now people are injuring themselves with…

You didn't show any evidence of the FDA being a net benefit. You only showed that the FDA probably could have reduced that specific type of liver injury by regulating those specific supplements. But the government is not magic, and the FDA almost certainly has also caused injuries by overly or erroneously regulating other things. I have no idea what the net effect is, but you certainly haven't shown it to be positive…

Post by wonder_er » Fri, Dec 30, 2016, 1:27 PM UTC

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And people will also choose to eat potato chips, not exercise, smoke, and drink heavily. You can't protect people from themselves, and even if it was an ethical government job to do so, i.e. take away people's freedoms because the government says it knows better, like with marijuana (I am REALLY humoring you, if you can't tell), there is no practical argument either. How much do you think your high estimate of X% who…

> You can't protect people from themselves You can't protect all people from themselves, but you can protect a lot of people from themselves. If you look at smoking [1] in the US, smoking went from 42.4% in 1965 to 16.8% in 2014. Raising awareness, taxing cigarettes, outlawing advertising, warnings on packaging, these things work. The same could be done with alcohol if society wanted. One of the reasons why it hasn't…

Post by tekromancr » Fri, Dec 30, 2016, 1:32 PM UTC

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This doesn't go far enough. That there is a link between high cholesterol and heart disease is only a hypotheses, not a scientifically proven fact. Lowering cholesterol does not necessarily lower heart disease. Read more here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/opinion/27taubes.html Because the link between excessive LDL cholesterol and cardiovascular disease has been so widely accepted, the Food and Drug Administrati…

Your comment reminds me of a thread I read in the Primal Diet's forum. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/forum/the-primal-bluepr... Quite a few of them are having heart attacks: "So my first heart attack, 8 years after a stroke, was unexpected. My heart is determined to kill me. I've had at least 4 attacks, the last one keeping me in hospital 6 days" Yet they still all stay on that diet, because of some convincing…

Post by brianwawok » Fri, Dec 30, 2016, 1:57 PM UTC

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I agree with you. This article also mentions they're focusing on fats/saturated fats; which is also a terrible focus. The real danger is not fat, even saturated/trans-fats, but starches and sugar. The increase in these types of carbohydrates in products like baby formula is actually leading to obesity in infants! Excess sugar can stress arteries and damage them. Cholesterol is carried to these artier by lipids (LDLs…

It's also a myth that runners need a high carb diet. I was a competitive distance runner for many years with a high carb diet and I'm confident that my performance suffered because of it. You're cells become much more efficient at using energy as you train, so you really don't need to eat that many calories at all. I was running 80+ miles per week, with a not above average calorie intake (for Americans), and my weigh…

Post by evidence_first » Fri, Dec 30, 2016, 2:10 PM UTC

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That thread is fucking scary.

It's about equal to doctors telling me to eat low sat fat and low cholesterol in 2016. The difference is doctors went to school for this and still are wrong.