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US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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Re: US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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There's a certain irony in calling something a myth based on your personal anecdote.

When disproving a need, an anecdote is pretty effective.

Except nobody is claiming all runners need a high carb diet. If anyone actually claimed that it was that most runners would benefit from a high carb diet (I have no idea if anyone actually makes this claim scientifically).

Re: US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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Just as an example: 9% of the cases of Idiosyncratic Drug-induced Liver Injury is self-harm caused by people taking non-regulated dietary supplements: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18955056 You have a theory that the average person will wisely assume the responsibility to vet the health effects of what they consume, but empirical reality disagrees with your theory. Right now people are injuring themselves with…

And people will also choose to eat potato chips, not exercise, smoke, and drink heavily. You can't protect people from themselves, and even if it was an ethical government job to do so, i.e. take away people's freedoms because the government says it knows better, like with marijuana (I am REALLY humoring you, if you can't tell), there is no practical argument either. How much do you think your high estimate of X% who…

Over-regulation prevents what we call in the software world "rapid iteration". It may take more time for the dust to settle, but eventually the best solutions naturally rise to the top by this method.

Re: US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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There's a certain irony in calling something a myth based on your personal anecdote.

Personal anecdotes are considerably more valuable to the individual that generalized truths. Every human body is unique and while trends and generalizations matter, they do not matter as much as empirical observed facts. Much more so in the context of personal health.

> Personal anecdotes

> observed facts

These are not the same thing.

Re: US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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A simple answer is anything with the fibre removed, such as white flour & rice, and with artificial flavours and colours. No risk in eliminating these from your diet...

There is nothing wrong with artificial flavors,they are chemically identical to natural flavors.

There are when they are combined with worthless food. You wouldn't eat hot dogs or other junk food without artificial flavors.

Re: US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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Hmm. Could you then disallow any advertising of drug while you're still without FDA endorsement? Like how you're not allowed to advertise cigarettes. I suspect this line of thinking just leads to too many problems, however.

Yes, it’s possible to do this. You may be surprised to hear that the USA is one of only two countries on the entire planet which it’s even legal to advertise drugs. All others outlaw it completely.

Indeed, that was surprising to hear, and a quick google search found me many countries in Europe where advertising drugs is legal, within some restrictive framework.

Examples:

Spain http://uk.practicallaw.com/0-618-5403#a202338

France http://uk.practicallaw.com/2-618-6699 )

Re: US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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Carbohydrates are not a bad thing and are indeed an important part of health. The current suggested diet doesn't say, 'bread'. It specifically calls out Whole Grains, which a great deal of evidence suggests are a Good Thing. Suggesting that grains, or even carbs, are somehow worse than literal fat is misleading at best, and delusional at it's worst.

I'm sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about. Typical carb intake in avg diet that doesn't remove grains and starches is literally worse for you than pure eating pure fat. Read about keto diet, read / watch presentations by Gary Taubes (his book "Why We Get Fat" is great). Your understanding of nutrition is about 20 years out of date.

> I'm sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about.

Please edit personal swipes out of your comments here.

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Re: US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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When disproving a need, an anecdote is pretty effective.

Except nobody is claiming all runners need a high carb diet. If anyone actually claimed that it was that most runners would benefit from a high carb diet (I have no idea if anyone actually makes this claim scientifically).

"most [runners] would benefit" is a pretty weak and unhelpful assertion. If we instead go with "almost all [runners] would benefit" then the anecdote is pretty good evidence against it.

Re: US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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There's a certain irony in calling something a myth based on your personal anecdote.

Personal anecdotes are considerably more valuable to the individual that generalized truths. Every human body is unique and while trends and generalizations matter, they do not matter as much as empirical observed facts. Much more so in the context of personal health.

You're forgetting all the biases (& fallacies) which may or may not have affected the experience or the memory leading to the anecdote. These biases (& fallacies) are detectable or the lack of them is verifiable, with the scientific method.

I'm not denying an anecdote is not valuable to the individual. It is, for the individual who made the anecdote; not the rest of us, not the readers.

I'm also will admit I, too, use anecdotal evidence. But that does not mean one has strong evidence when they do; they don't, and neither do I.

Re: US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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Except nobody is claiming all runners need a high carb diet. If anyone actually claimed that it was that most runners would benefit from a high carb diet (I have no idea if anyone actually makes this claim scientifically).

"most [runners] would benefit" is a pretty weak and unhelpful assertion. If we instead go with "almost all [runners] would benefit" then the anecdote is pretty good evidence against it.

No it's not. Most is quite a strong assertion.

Re: US government to withdraw longstanding warnings about cholesterol (2015)

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There is nothing wrong with artificial flavors,they are chemically identical to natural flavors.

There are when they are combined with worthless food. You wouldn't eat hot dogs or other junk food without artificial flavors.

Yes I would. There are junk foods that work fine without any added flavors. Let alone junk foods with natural flavors.
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