How do the data brokers know whether one shops at dollar stores? Who is leaking our inforamtion to the brokers? Is the store or the credit card company releasing information to a third party? Store gets the customer name from the credit card. Credit card company knows that a transaction took place at the dollar store. Any other possibilities?
Facebook Doesn’t Tell Users Everything It Really Knows About Them
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Re: Facebook Doesn’t Tell Users Everything It Really Knows About Them
#82Facebook have to respond to Data Subject Access Requests in the UK, which oblige them to send you every piece of personally-linked information - for a maximum £10 fee. I did this with my bank a few years back and got back a box file full of credit scores, lending decisions and other stuff they'd never normally expose. Facebook's data for a busy user is going to be enormous by comparison - has anyone done this lately…
Max Schrems filed a request via the irish Data Protection Commission a few years ago and explains the returned data at [1].
Since then, however, the commission seems to have simply stopped processing requests, without any legal justification to do so [2].
[1] http://www.europe-v-facebook.org/EN/Data_Pool/data_pool.html
[2] http://www.europe-v-facebook.org/EN/Get_your_Data_/get_your_...
Re: Facebook Doesn’t Tell Users Everything It Really Knows About Them
#83> "He said users can visit a page in Facebook’s help center, which provides links to the opt-outs for six data brokers that sell personal data to Facebook." The link provided is: https://m.facebook.com/help/494750870625830?helpref=uf_perma... . LOL. The amount of personal information requested at those "opt-out" links is suspicious and/or ironic. Examples of information requested to "opt-out" of the USA partners' rea…
I like it when a company whose sole business model depends on pervasive surveillance states "we take privacy very seriously"...
Re: Facebook Doesn’t Tell Users Everything It Really Knows About Them
#84There must be many HNers who work at Facebook. Anyone willing to make a throwaway account and tell us how it feels from the inside for Facebook to be one the wrong side of so many ethical issues? It just seems like in so many dimensions they've been caught saying wrong things or appearing to outright lie, and I'm curious how developers who work for them think about aiding a company that seems to be so compromised at…
It's easy to forget on HN, but there is far from universal buy-in for the notion that having or collecting data on people is unethical. Some may even consider it noble to optimize and perfect the world and its institutions (including commerce, via efficient advertising) using large-scale personal data.
The impulse to make something better by applying a database engine that you might feel for business processes, can just as easily be felt for customer interactions or the world at large.
For an interesting (and very critical) look at this philosophy I recommend The Circle by Dave Eggers.
Re: Facebook Doesn’t Tell Users Everything It Really Knows About Them
#85>"For instance, opting out of Oracle’s Datalogix, which provides about 350 types of data to Facebook according to our analysis, requires “sending a written request, along with a copy of government-issued identification” in postal mail to Oracle’s chief privacy officer." This is outrageous. Why is the onus on a user who never gave permission to a data broker in the first place? They deal in digitial domain when it com…
It isn't your data. It is their data about you, which is a very important distinction. Facebook and Oracle aren't the bad actors here, if you think there is a bad actor. The baddies are the people giving Oracle (and others) that data about you. (And now I have to hang my head in shame for saying something that sounds like it is a defense of Oracle. They're baddies for many, many other reasons, just not this one)
The fruits of the bad actors, namely the data itself, is what needs to be regulated, analogous to what HIPPA does.
Re: Facebook Doesn’t Tell Users Everything It Really Knows About Them
#86There must be many HNers who work at Facebook. Anyone willing to make a throwaway account and tell us how it feels from the inside for Facebook to be one the wrong side of so many ethical issues? It just seems like in so many dimensions they've been caught saying wrong things or appearing to outright lie, and I'm curious how developers who work for them think about aiding a company that seems to be so compromised at…
It's easy to forget on HN, but there is far from universal buy-in for the notion that having or collecting data on people is unethical. Some may even consider it noble to optimize and perfect the world and its institutions (including commerce, via efficient advertising) using large-scale personal data. The impulse to make something better by applying a database engine that you might feel for business processes, can j…
The problem is misleading the public about the nature of the information gathered and the shady ways that the information is sometimes used. If Facebook were only gathering information necessary to improve the experience of its users, and were not selling that information or lying about it, I don't think you'd see the same backlash.
Re: Facebook Doesn’t Tell Users Everything It Really Knows About Them
#87There must be many HNers who work at Facebook. Anyone willing to make a throwaway account and tell us how it feels from the inside for Facebook to be one the wrong side of so many ethical issues? It just seems like in so many dimensions they've been caught saying wrong things or appearing to outright lie, and I'm curious how developers who work for them think about aiding a company that seems to be so compromised at…
I have a friend at Facebook. Yes, they do understand that some data they collect is pretty ... private. But since it's good for Facebook -- it's good for them. In all personal discussions they defend the company to the point that I started feeling like there is some mind-washing going on. Of course it's just a feeling, but my point is -- they don't think it is bad.
Ideally, who speaks for your wants and desires? Realistically, who do you allow to speak for you on a regular basis? Your mom? Your boss? Perhaps an unhealthy narcissistic friend? Facebook?
Speaking for others is formulating emotional responses for someone else and then constructing a dialog that elicits those feelings in that person. Today, that can be done with software as has been shown time and time again with Facebook. In the past it's been the tool of choice for those who control others. Narcissistic parents or greedy corporations, the end result is the same: loss of choice for all.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
> at least they have a lot less info during that time How do you know? If FB can't be trusted to actually delete your account (and they can't) how can they be trusted to stop collecting data on you?
Presumably if you've cleared your cookies and you use an adblocker, their ability to reliably track your activity goes way, WAY down. In addition to the standard protections of the adblocker and privacybadger, I also generally set a full block on all content from facebook[.com/.net] and any identifiable facebook subdomains. I really have no use for facebook, so it is zero imposition on me, and if I ever want to view…
Yeah, that reminded me to clear my cookies again. Of course Facebook is there again. Even if they are somehow still building their dossier on me, at least I am not wasting my life on a site built for, I quote "Dumb F*ucks" - Zuck.
Re: Facebook Doesn’t Tell Users Everything It Really Knows About Them
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see how this is being on the wrong side of an ethical issue. Perhaps it is (somehow, after years of this being in the news) shocking that that data is collected about your life, but Facebook isn't doing the collection. Anyone can buy that data and many organizations do. Facebook hasn't actually done anything here that is harmful, not with the non-shocking data collection from third parties and not with the da…
>Facebook isn't doing the collection Who is it then that allows facebook like buttons and social widgets to be integrated into other sites?
Facebook does that data collection, but not the data that the article discusses - no social widget is responsible for figuring out your income or what you do at physical retailers.
Re: Facebook Doesn’t Tell Users Everything It Really Knows About Them
#90There must be many HNers who work at Facebook. Anyone willing to make a throwaway account and tell us how it feels from the inside for Facebook to be one the wrong side of so many ethical issues? It just seems like in so many dimensions they've been caught saying wrong things or appearing to outright lie, and I'm curious how developers who work for them think about aiding a company that seems to be so compromised at…
It's easy to forget on HN, but there is far from universal buy-in for the notion that having or collecting data on people is unethical. Some may even consider it noble to optimize and perfect the world and its institutions (including commerce, via efficient advertising) using large-scale personal data. The impulse to make something better by applying a database engine that you might feel for business processes, can j…
The problem I have with it is that Facebook decides what "improve" means -- it tries to groom me like cattle rather than ask me how I want to experience it or who I want to be "optimized" in to being.
And that's okay, so far as they're open about it. But I don't think they are, especially the sophistication of their psychology research (and experimentation).