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Facebook’s Face Recognition Tech Goes on Trial

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Re: Facebook’s Face Recognition Tech Goes on Trial

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Post by pjc50 »

cookiecaper wrote: post #31
dsp1234 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No surprise there, if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service. Unfortunately, that doesn't go far enough. I don't use FB, but that doesn't mean it doesn't collect my data. It does because my husband and friends use FB, and I do not control the information they share about me with FB. Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use t…

>Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service, and don't interact with other people or companies who use their service." Not sure you have any other option. Most of the time, you can't restrain what other people choose to do with images they've taken that contain your likeness, and you can't stop them from posting content that mentions their spouses. That…

This is literally what EU data protection is for: if you're going to process personal data, people have the rights to know what it is, whether it's correct, and to have it deleted.

Re: Facebook’s Face Recognition Tech Goes on Trial

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Post by XJOKOLAT »

TheBeardKing wrote: post #18

From the article it sounds like the result of the lawsuit may be just that facebook adds a disclaimer to their ToS that you accept them using your biometric data by using their service. No surprise there, if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service.

Actioned, thanks.

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Post by CompanionCuube »

Animats wrote: post #40
pessimizer wrote: post #28

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And of course, your face will be run through this database and many others when you apply for a job, or a credit card.

Of course. See this marketing video from FaceFirst, which powered the retail application mentioned above.[1] They offer cloud-based facial recognition as a service. "FaceFirst maintains a massive, centrally managed database and server farm at our headquarters." Since much of their input comes from video, they get lots of pictures of each individual and combine them. This improves accuracy. They use the Cognitec face…

>WalMart tried FaceFirst in 2015, and gave up on it.[2] "We were looking for a concrete business rationale ... It didn’t have the ROI."

This is the WalMart that shortstaffed stores even though it increased inventory lost.

Re: Facebook’s Face Recognition Tech Goes on Trial

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Post by benjismith »

To me, the interesting thing about this is that the "biometric data" is actually the collection of photos that the users uploaded.

The data-structures used for facial recognition are just metadata, extracted from the original imagery. It seems to me like data retention laws would apply to the original imagery, but not the derivative data structures. But that's obviously not what privacy-conscious user would expect...

I'm interested in seeing how this kind of case ends up being decided, when it (inevitably) ends up at the supreme court.

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Post by shostack »

trendia wrote: post #27
Animats wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“We could soon have security cameras in stores that identify people as they shop,” Already deployed. Here's a report by a retailer who installed a face recognition system.[1] Names anonymized. “We now know within seconds of a person walking in the store if they’ve previously been caught stealing from us. ... Suppose Johnny Johnson is caught shoplifting at a Store-Mart branch. He’s detained, photographed, and given a…

What happens if nearly all retail stores had this and you got caught shoplifting. Are you no longer allowed to shop in public? Is thee a time limit, say 1 year, after which they should let you shop again?

Forget shoplifting. This will be used to black list people for all sorts of reasons.

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Post by shostack »

CompanionCuube wrote: post #54
Animats wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. See this marketing video from FaceFirst, which powered the retail application mentioned above.[1] They offer cloud-based facial recognition as a service. "FaceFirst maintains a massive, centrally managed database and server farm at our headquarters." Since much of their input comes from video, they get lots of pictures of each individual and combine them. This improves accuracy. They use the Cognitec face…

>WalMart tried FaceFirst in 2015, and gave up on it.[2] "We were looking for a concrete business rationale ... It didn’t have the ROI." This is the WalMart that shortstaffed stores even though it increased inventory lost.

I'm guessing the cost of properly staffing was higher than the wholesale price of the stolen goods?
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