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This is a magic report. Over the next 24 hours, it will transform a huge number of people into experts on intelligence reporting requirements, hacking, sources and methods, and diplomacy.
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It seems notable that many of these comments are jumping on this for not providing proof that it was Russia, when that was not the intention of the report. The first page states- >This JAR provides technical indicators related to many of these operations, recommended mitigations, suggested actions to take in response to the indicators provided, and information on how to report such incidents to the U.S. Government.
Agreed - this is meant to present the evidence or at least the public part of. If this is all there is; then the skepticism coming from the incoming administration is warranted.
The Sony hack had more evidence than this... Someone explain to me why this is such an issue? There have been many proven hacks from many states that are far worse (the Chinese Fighter plane that looks almost identical to the F35 come to mind) than exposing the DNC's dirty laundry. No one is denying that the emails are real. This seems like some sort of distraction.
The entire thing has been a politicized distraction and propaganda campaign ... the level of discourse in America is now at a terrifying and dangerous quality; we used to mock the propaganda of the Soviets, China, etc. but we are descending into their grade.
An elaborate surveillance/police state combined with a propaganda system is scary indeed, no matter which president or political party controls it.
Folks, the point of this report is not to justify the punitive actions taken today. It is to provide information that companies can use to protect themselves against similar attacks in the future. So if you judge it by whether it "makes the case" against Russia, it will be lacking. We don't need 100 comments pointing that out.
It seems notable that many of these comments are jumping on this for not providing proof that it was Russia, when that was not the intention of the report. The first page states- >This JAR provides technical indicators related to many of these operations, recommended mitigations, suggested actions to take in response to the indicators provided, and information on how to report such incidents to the U.S. Government.
Folks, the point of this report is not to justify the punitive actions taken today. It is to provide information that companies can use to protect themselves against similar attacks in the future. So if you judge it by whether it "makes the case" against Russia, it will be lacking. We don't need 100 comments pointing that out.
1. Released the same day as the announcement of formal Russian Sanctions
2. Released the same day US made 35 "diplomats" (aka. known Human Intelligence Officers) Persona Non Grata. Which is a big deal.
This type of document is not intended to "make the case" because we don't do that.
Making a case for something by definition, would reveal sources and methods which we highly guard. It also opens the administration up for scrutiny because there are many pieces which cannot be revealed because of classification - so it's impossibly to fully "make a case."
This type of report does however hint suggestively and point in the direction of support. They just let you put the pieces together.
In fact they don't have to put anything out and most people wouldn't even know to ask (outside of possibly FOIA, which won't go far in these cases).
The Sony hack had more evidence than this... Someone explain to me why this is such an issue? There have been many proven hacks from many states that are far worse (the Chinese Fighter plane that looks almost identical to the F35 come to mind) than exposing the DNC's dirty laundry. No one is denying that the emails are real. This seems like some sort of distraction.
You're maybe on the wrong website if you need someone to explain this to you.
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The bloomberg article I read ( http://archive.is/j5wRd ) presented it as evidence. Maybe other publications are doing the same. >As part of the administration’s response, the FBI and Homeland Security Department also released a report with technical evidence intended to prove Russia’s military and civilian intelligence services were behind the hacking and to expose some of their most sensitive hacking infrastructure.
> presented it as evidence Quite predictable, since they also considered the wild accusations of various politicians of a high level Russian conspiracy to be evidence.
Great. Password expiration. Cue everyone recycling a set of 10 unique passwords among devices and/or writing passwords on Post-It notes on work computers at the office. Only bit of truth in here was the phishing campaign. That could be anyone, however. This is barely more advanced than the Nigerian bank scam e-mails. Yet the POTUS says it's a sign of the highest levels of Russian government. We've already been fed li…
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> presented it as evidence Quite predictable, since they also considered the wild accusations of various politicians of a high level Russian conspiracy to be evidence.
If you rephrase your hysterical wording as "major bipartisan concern across every intelligence agency and nearly all ranking members of both houses of Congress, including the heads of both Intelligence Committees," then I'm not really sure what more evidence you or I could hope for from such an obviously sensitive, active topic for the time being.
In my view, they are all self-serving career politicians and none have shown any particular reason they should be trusted or respected. They were the ones who urged the knee-jerk reaction in Iraq which has cost trillions of dollars and many lives, among many other bad decisions that they all agree on.
The Sony hack had more evidence than this... Someone explain to me why this is such an issue? There have been many proven hacks from many states that are far worse (the Chinese Fighter plane that looks almost identical to the F35 come to mind) than exposing the DNC's dirty laundry. No one is denying that the emails are real. This seems like some sort of distraction.
The entire thing has been a politicized distraction and propaganda campaign ... the level of discourse in America is now at a terrifying and dangerous quality; we used to mock the propaganda of the Soviets, China, etc. but we are descending into their grade.