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Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by valarauca1 »

whyagaindavid wrote: post #149
valarauca1 wrote: post #142

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Password sync in browser is a piss-poor password manager solution. You should just use a password manager

Why is password sync in browser bad? Care to explain? I hate to have another password application; Dropbox sync t everywhere. Remember Firefox sync encrypts everything before upload. So does chrome.

At rest the data isn't necessarily encrypted. Also browser hacks are a dime a dozen. It is the most exposed interface on your computer.

You are freely executing untrusted code from unknown parties, coming over insecure and unencrypted channels. You really can't be sure who is sending HTTP.

And don't talk about sandboxes. There is a sandbox escape fix in every version of Chrome. This isn't on google, there are way more attackers then fixers.

Basically webbrowsers are under constant concerted attack by every single bad actor out there. And you trust them to sync and secure your passwords?

You have more faith in humanity then I.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by pjmlp »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #223
pjmlp wrote: post #63

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Yet somehow many thought that the cynic ones of us where wrong and Google would be different. Our opinions are based on life experience, watching the same cycles unfold time and time again. The next one will be the demise of open source ideals after everyone has migrated away from GPL for everything but the Linux kernel. I will give it around 10 years for it to happen.

Open source ideals defined by who? Richard Stallman? True open source is code that you can do whatever you want with it. When Google releases their code it's under what I consider the true ideals for open source software and not some license that threatens legal action if you don't release your modifications.

How does it feel following your true ideals of open source software, installing AOSP on your mobile device, with the ability to use apps from the Play Store?

What about updating the BSD distribution on the PS4?

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by radicalbyte »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #136
radicalbyte wrote: post #132

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The problem is that Chrome remove features without providing any viable replacement. For example Flash: currently the Chrome audio APIs do not cover all of the functionality provided by Flash. You cannot, for example, pause the recording of audio. If you have a product which requires that functionality then you're stuck. You can't upgrade. In the recent past I was in just that position: we had no choice but to block…

> You cannot, for example, pause the recording of audio. You can use the Web Audio API (getusermedia) and set an audio pipeline filter that stops sending data while a boolean flag is set. I don't know if you mean a different API entirely, and I don't mean to disagree---just FYI :)

Thanks, that is indeed so. I must say that the Chrome team have been really fantastic about it (they reached out to me after asking on twitter).

It's just the age old resources problem: not only do you have to change the frontend, you also need to make changes on the server. That more than doubles the work (quadruples in our case because the server requires far more QA effort).

That comes at the cost of other features, features which are more valuable.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by beagle3 »

rsync wrote: post #189
m-p-3 wrote: post #15

This isn't a new thing at all, but more awareness to the sysadmins shouldn't hurt. Also, let me point you to the Legacy Browser Support extension. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/legacy-browser-sup... With proper GPOs you can force a domain/subdomain to open in IE directly from any links.

What I really want is the ability (recipe ?) to chroot a browser. I would like to run 3-4 browsers at all times, each with totally sandboxed identity and IP address. However I do not necessarily want to run a full blown VM for each of them. This is very simple and efficient for sandboxing server daemons - I do it all the time and there is almost zero overhead involved in chroot/jail. However I have never chrooted a G…

Are you aware of https://firejail.wordpress.com/ ? Sounds like it's what you are looking for (or is there a reason it does not satisfy your requirements?)

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

SeanBoocock wrote: post #244
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #203

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>The build that ends up on the disk is not "completely broken ...Well, then. Would you care to explain Assassin's Creed Unity, and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5? I suppose you classify them as "not completely broken"?

Assassin's Creed Unity suffered from a lot of bugs for its PC release, namely graphical glitches on some (not all) hardware. Additionally, it had a number of bugs that could be broadly described as "open world jank": funny physics interactions, NPC spawning issues, etc. The game should have been delayed more on PC to allow for better hardware compatibility testing, but no, I wouldn't classify it on release as complet…

The point is that AC Unity had very serious problems, which would have no doubt been fixed pre-launch in a pre-patch world. Also, if testing is as thorough as you claim, and you actually do have to have a fairly playable game to relase without obvious, terrible, bugs (Unity was unplayable for some on launch, and it was difficult to play for many others because of just how buggy it was), than Unity should have never seen the light of day.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by mattwoodnyc »

epalmer wrote: post #79
twblalock wrote: post #58

One notable thing about the dominance of Chrome (and the decline of Firefox) is that WebKit is now a de facto standard. The desktop and mobile versions of Chrome and Safari are based on it, and according to Microsoft, "any Edge-WebKit differences are bugs that we’re interested in fixing." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Edge ). That covers every major desktop and smartphone browser except Firefox. At some p…

I manage 134 branded sites for a university and a handful of other sites. We target IE11, Edge, Safari, FireFox and Chrome compatibility with desktop and mobile (ios, android). Once Microsoft announced sunsetting support for earlier browser versions our job got a lot easier. We all said "thanks MS, took you long enough". In the last 30 days for the branded sites we have roughly these percentages of sessions by browse…

Thank you, I'm always interested in seeing browser metrics in other industries. I'm assuming safari is so high due to your higher-ed audience.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by epalmer »

mattwoodnyc wrote: post #257
epalmer wrote: post #79

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I manage 134 branded sites for a university and a handful of other sites. We target IE11, Edge, Safari, FireFox and Chrome compatibility with desktop and mobile (ios, android). Once Microsoft announced sunsetting support for earlier browser versions our job got a lot easier. We all said "thanks MS, took you long enough". In the last 30 days for the branded sites we have roughly these percentages of sessions by browse…

Thank you, I'm always interested in seeing browser metrics in other industries. I'm assuming safari is so high due to your higher-ed audience.

We have a lot of Mac users in the student body. More than 60%. Also iOS users.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by illumin8 »

dispose13432 wrote: post #239
illumin8 wrote: post #234

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> If maintaining critical infrastructure like bridges and tunnels worked like deploying software updates, every few weeks the bridge or tunnel would close itself to traffic in one direction for a while, without warning. They already do this by closing lanes, and even closing entire bridges at night during maintenance when required. The "without notice" part is only if you're doing it wrong - you should be giving your…

>The failure modes of software are not as well understood, but are rarely life threatening. Well, it's not life threatening, but what do you think will happen if every month your credit-card stops working for a few days because of a Windows/Linux regression?

I appreciate the idea, but in that case, it's simply a cost/benefit analysis. The benefit of not losing a few days worth of fees on credit card transactions a month is worth way more than the relatively minimal cost of good QA, testing, change control, and rollback capabilities.

Re: Chrome browser for businesses

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Post by illumin8 »

Silhouette wrote: post #240
illumin8 wrote: post #234

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> If maintaining critical infrastructure like bridges and tunnels worked like deploying software updates, every few weeks the bridge or tunnel would close itself to traffic in one direction for a while, without warning. They already do this by closing lanes, and even closing entire bridges at night during maintenance when required. The "without notice" part is only if you're doing it wrong - you should be giving your…

Sorry, but we seem to be talking completely at cross-purposes here. My previous comment was not really about the realities of civil engineering. It was about how absurd civil engineering would be, if the routine maintenance done in that context failed as often and as spectacularly as software updates do. To be more blunt about it: Organisations don't want software that updates itself frequently and fallibly, because…

I agree that we're probably talking past each other, re: civil/software engineering.

The entire reason to do frequent, small updates, instead of large, spectacular updates is to avoid all the problems you mention in the last paragraph.

In that case, it actually does become quite a bit like civil engineering, in that if they keep relatively minor repaving a lane every year, without disrupting traffic completely, they can avoid the entire road failing spectacularly and having to be blocked off to rebuild. Of course I don't really know much about civil engineering...

Cheers, anyway.

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