> “We could soon have security cameras in stores that identify people as they shop,” I stopped using Facebook 5 years ago because I noticed using it made me unhappy. I continue to not go back because of privacy concerns like this.
Facebook has what they call "shadow profiles" that still track you even if you've never signed up (or deleted your account). Not using Facebook doesn't mean they don't have information on you.
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook doesn't properly identify me vs my brother, so they still have some things to work one.
Are you twins or just "regular" siblings?
I think part of this is that their facial recognition doesn't have a logic check based on the other context data that they have.
eg. my brother's wife will post vacation photos of him, him with his kids, and him with her, and yet sometimes it still auto-identifies the pictures of him as me. Facebook knows I'm logged in at an ip 1000 miles away. Facebook knows my brother is with his wife because they both have logged in recently while on vacation. Yet I am tagged instead of him.
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#43> “We could soon have security cameras in stores that identify people as they shop,” I stopped using Facebook 5 years ago because I noticed using it made me unhappy. I continue to not go back because of privacy concerns like this.
You know people who use Facebook. They upload pictures that, more likely than not, include your face. Facebook knows your face even if it doesn't know your name (which people will often readily supply even if you don't have an account, so don't be so sure that they don't know your name too). You don't want to be "that guy" constantly demanding that your friends pull down any picture that you show up in, a request you…
I'm not extreme enough to go there - what I meant more is that I don't use it because I don't want to support a company that violates peoples' privacy so much. I really could care less if they can recognize me in particular.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
No surprise there, if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service. Unfortunately, that doesn't go far enough. I don't use FB, but that doesn't mean it doesn't collect my data. It does because my husband and friends use FB, and I do not control the information they share about me with FB. Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use t…
>Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service, and don't interact with other people or companies who use their service." Not sure you have any other option. Most of the time, you can't restrain what other people choose to do with images they've taken that contain your likeness, and you can't stop them from posting content that mentions their spouses. That…
I think you underestimate the effectiveness of laws and punitive damages for breaking said laws. Seems to be working fairly well in reining in companies like AirBnB and Uber, its a matter of time before we rein in companies using data mining.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
No surprise there, if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service. Unfortunately, that doesn't go far enough. I don't use FB, but that doesn't mean it doesn't collect my data. It does because my husband and friends use FB, and I do not control the information they share about me with FB. Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use t…
>Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service, and don't interact with other people or companies who use their service." Not sure you have any other option. Most of the time, you can't restrain what other people choose to do with images they've taken that contain your likeness, and you can't stop them from posting content that mentions their spouses. That…
I'm a little bit more optimistic than you. As noted in the article, there are important differences under the hood between FB in the US and The EU, and these were "pushed through" by courts, and cultural norms (e.g. not a violent/benevolent 'privacy junta' as you suggest).
I can imagine a world where the US gov banned sucking entire contact lists out of people's phones for commercial exploitation, for example. Everyone feels it's creepy, and there's zero user benefit. I don't see why this wouldn't be extremely popular, and straight forward to legislate.
This would remove the primary data collection means for FB's shadow profiles in one stroke.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
No surprise there, if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service. Unfortunately, that doesn't go far enough. I don't use FB, but that doesn't mean it doesn't collect my data. It does because my husband and friends use FB, and I do not control the information they share about me with FB. Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use t…
>Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service, and don't interact with other people or companies who use their service." Not sure you have any other option. Most of the time, you can't restrain what other people choose to do with images they've taken that contain your likeness, and you can't stop them from posting content that mentions their spouses. That…
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service, and don't interact with other people or companies who use their service." Not sure you have any other option. Most of the time, you can't restrain what other people choose to do with images they've taken that contain your likeness, and you can't stop them from posting content that mentions their spouses. That…
> Legal solutions that prevent vendors from referencing some data points may limit some effects here and there, but I think it's going to be difficult to craft something that really accomplishes anything big, and the tech and data is still going to be out there and used by some people regardless of the legal status. I think you underestimate the effectiveness of laws and punitive damages for breaking said laws. Seems…
Without the CFAA, without improper application of trespass to chattels, without improper application of the Copyright Act to RAM copies of pages that exist for mere microseconds, and without considering exploitative browsewrap "agreements" legally binding, Facebook (and most other "walled gardens" that effectively downgrade the WWW into just another technical curiosity in content delivery instead of an independent, open, and free publishing platform) could relatively easily be harvested and reduced to something like the decentralized protocol described above, which would greatly enhance individual privacy and control moving forward. But I digress.
Uber and AirBnb have physical-world touchpoints that are easy to police using our existing police and justice infrastructure. You're driving a car with revoked registration or renting out a unit in an area not zoned for short-term rentals and/or without the proper licenses. These are straightforward violations that are trivially observable, relatively simple to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law and reasonably within a jury's comprehension and familiarity, and we can send a real guy with a gun to come and haul you off to jail if you break these rules.
All-digital conduct, like storing too much metadata, is much harder to detect, curb, and assign accountability for. And even if Facebook itself is stopped from making the correlations or compilations outlined by such a law, nothing can stop under-the-radar third-party scrapers or special-privilege actors like intelligence agencies from combining the data exposed to Facebook and ultimately achieving the same end: an uber-effective mass surveillance system capable of identifying anyone, anywhere (potentially even digitally) with nothing more than a semi-decent picture of their face.
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#48You can't stop progress.
See 30 minutes in.
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#49> “We could soon have security cameras in stores that identify people as they shop,” I stopped using Facebook 5 years ago because I noticed using it made me unhappy. I continue to not go back because of privacy concerns like this.
You know people who use Facebook. They upload pictures that, more likely than not, include your face. Facebook knows your face even if it doesn't know your name (which people will often readily supply even if you don't have an account, so don't be so sure that they don't know your name too). You don't want to be "that guy" constantly demanding that your friends pull down any picture that you show up in, a request you…
The Russians have already done this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/...
Discreetly snap someone's photo and there's an excellent chance that face recognition will fond their social media profile. Now you have their name and potentially a lot more (age, school, hometown, etc).
All it takes is enough centralization and a culture of sharing a lot online and you're loving in the future!
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
No surprise there, if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service. Unfortunately, that doesn't go far enough. I don't use FB, but that doesn't mean it doesn't collect my data. It does because my husband and friends use FB, and I do not control the information they share about me with FB. Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use t…
>Currently it has to be, "if you don't want any service collecting any of your data, don't use their service, and don't interact with other people or companies who use their service." Not sure you have any other option. Most of the time, you can't restrain what other people choose to do with images they've taken that contain your likeness, and you can't stop them from posting content that mentions their spouses. That…
But, assuming that FB's face recognition actually works, they can refrain from tracking people that don't have an account.
It cuts both ways.