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Edward Snowden’s Escape from Hong Kong [audio]

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Re: Edward Snowden’s Escape from Hong Kong [audio]

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Post by atmosx »

kiliankoe wrote: post #12

Short summary: There's a two week period in Hong Kong missing from the film CitizenFour and this talk is about the three refugee families and their lawyer who sheltered and protected Snowden in that time in Hong Kong. Also how asylum seekers in Hong Kong have a 0.3% chance of being accepted and how any assistance (if any) these people have gotten before have been cut by the government after their involvement with Sno…

Part of what you're describing is displayed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd6qN167wKo

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Post by middleclick »

kiliankoe wrote: post #12

Short summary: There's a two week period in Hong Kong missing from the film CitizenFour and this talk is about the three refugee families and their lawyer who sheltered and protected Snowden in that time in Hong Kong. Also how asylum seekers in Hong Kong have a 0.3% chance of being accepted and how any assistance (if any) these people have gotten before have been cut by the government after their involvement with Sno…

What is amazing that these people helped Snowden knowing they were risking their life and not expecting anything in return. That is selfless service.

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Post by lmm »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23
lvs wrote: post #13

The story begins around 18:30. After listening to these folks explain the situation of refugees and their legal status in HK, one wonders a bit why EJS decided to go there as his first stop.

I work with some wealthy people. This is a fun topic and favourite topic--if the U.S. fell to fascism, where would you go. The most popular answe is Argentina. The most interesting is Kerala.

I live in the UK. I always used to think that if freedom fell here it would fall everywhere.

Now my government is recording internet history, and censoring depictions of my (harmless but unusual) sexual practices. I'm not yet a criminal in my homeland, but I fear it's only a matter of time.

Where do I go?

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Post by dingaling »

bbcbasic wrote: post #26

The U.S. has fallen to fascism, where will you go?

Fascism: everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

If you can freely choose to leave then that's a strong indicator that your nation is not fascist.

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Post by kahrkunne »

bbcbasic wrote: post #26

The U.S. has fallen to fascism, where will you go?

I don't think you can describe the democratic election of a president who wants smaller, not bigger government as "fascism". It suggests a pretty poor understanding of the fact that fascism is pretty narrowly defined, and not another word for "thing I don't like"

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Post by Evgeny »

deepakprakash wrote: post #27
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work with some wealthy people. This is a fun topic and favourite topic--if the U.S. fell to fascism, where would you go. The most popular answe is Argentina. The most interesting is Kerala.

I am from Kerala and genuinely curious - why Kerala? And why Argentina for that matter?

I have never heard the name before, but:

Kerala has the lowest positive population growth rate in India, 3.44%; highest Human Development Index (HDI), 0.790 in 2011; the highest literacy rate, 93.91% in the 2011 census; the highest life expectancy, 77 years; and the highest sex ratio, 1,084 women per 1000 men.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala

Interesting!

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Post by Certhas »

kahrkunne wrote: post #37
bbcbasic wrote: post #26

The U.S. has fallen to fascism, where will you go?

I don't think you can describe the democratic election of a president who wants smaller, not bigger government as "fascism". It suggests a pretty poor understanding of the fact that fascism is pretty narrowly defined, and not another word for "thing I don't like"

No but Trump was/is promising to jail the opposition, promising to curb freedom of press, and generally using the language of fascism. I recently read for the first time Burkes rhetorical analysis of Hitlers Mein Kampf:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rhetoric_of_Hitler's_%22Ba...

These tropes show up all over political speech of course, but I think it is undeniable that Trump has pulled together an unusually large concentration of them.

Make no mistake, Trump is no Hitler and he might have autocratic tendencies but the US is not a fascist state. I agree with you there. But criticism of Trump is more than the usual "someone I disagree with got elected". Trumps election heralds a crisis of liberal democracy of a magnitude I have not seen in my lifetime.

Principiis obsta.

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Post by benevol »

bbcbasic wrote: post #26

The U.S. has fallen to fascism, where will you go?

> The U.S. has fallen to fascism

Not really, yet. But, trust me, America will have the best fascism you can get. I'm highly educated. And I have the best words. And let me tell you, it's gonna be tremendous. It's gonna be yuuuuuge.

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