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Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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Post by mikeash » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:48 PM UTC

GavinMcG wrote: post #173

NinjaViking wrote: post #112

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In my non-scientific experience native speakers are more likely to make homophone errors.

That may very well reflect reality, but you also point out that it might not. Would it be better, therefore, not to post the claim in the first place? (I'm not trying to accuse you of doing something wrong. This is just a minimal, relatively harmless example of a larger and more concerning phenomenon in this age of information spreading so quickly with so little verification. I suspect we're going to need to take a s…

It may well be better not to post the claim, but you also seem to accept that it may be. Would it be better, therefore, not to post your claim in the first place?

(Personally, I see nothing wrong with posting anecdotal evidence as long as it's clearly identified as such.)

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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Post by mikeash » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:52 PM UTC

aidenn0 wrote: post #209

Etheryte wrote: post #68

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This is a commonly known problem of SUVs, their center of gravity is a lot higher so they're a lot easier to flip over. That's why I'm puzzled by people who buy urban SUVs, that is, jeep-like cars that they never intend to use off-road.

1: Station wagons that seat more than 5 people basically don't exist anymore (last I checked only the Mercedes Benz could do so in the US). 2: Minivans have an image problem (still associated with the "soccer mom" stereotype for Gen X; millenials appear to be less averse to them). In addition, most minivans are elevated so that they can have a flat floor, so they similarly have an elevated center of gravity.

Bringing it back full circle, the Tesla Model S can also seat 7, as long as two are children (and you buy the option for third row seats).

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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Post by Tempest1981 » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:52 PM UTC

GavinMcG wrote: post #174

mjolk wrote: post #151

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A more extreme, but related condition is a "moose test": The dangerous Toyota Hilux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoHbn8-ROiQ The Jeep Grand Cherokee acting similarly dangerously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaYFLb8WMGM

It would be appropriate to list the model years there, especially if other years have solved the problem!

The Hilux video title says 2016 -- same issue remains as in 2007.

Interesting to see the Jeep blow the front left tire... 7 times. Consistent.

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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Post by mikeash » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:54 PM UTC

relics443 wrote: post #31

One part of my brain is saying: Sweet piece of technology!!! Another is saying: This seems like a very convenient piece of good PR for Tesla (and self driving car technology)... Yet another is saying: I hope the folks in the car are alright

Is your middle paragraph implying that this might be staged? That seems rather insane.

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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Post by aidenn0 » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:54 PM UTC

unclebucknasty wrote: post #116

disposablezero wrote: post #47

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Relying on error-prone, distracted, slow humans to guide massive killing machines is playing Russian roulette. AI driving will no doubt be eventually better than the best human driver within a decade, in nearly all instances.

The glorification of tech/denigration of humans juxtaposition is getting old fast. This attitude may seem benign, but it's insidious, carries a hint of elitism, and spills over into labor, class, and other aspects of human life. Why can't we appreciate tech advances without devaluing people?

Human drivers have been denegrated for over 100 years now; from 1909: http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/uploads/2014/03/puck-number-2...

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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Post by aidenn0 » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:55 PM UTC

unclebucknasty wrote: post #135

brainfire wrote: post #122

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This is something that kills tens of thousands of people per year in the US alone- already greatly reduced by technological advances, and still falling. Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for the feelings that might be hurt among human drivers who consistently and measurably overestimate their abilities.

>Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for the feelings that might be hurt among human drivers who consistently and measurably overestimate their abilities. Indeed. If only we could find them all and kill them before they strike again.

Or, you know, replace them with machines that are safer.

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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Post by aidenn0 » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:57 PM UTC

ge96 wrote: post #60

do the cars have some serious computer hardware or is it really good code/cloud assisted computation? Maybe ANN's active while driving?

I believe they use a midrange PowerPC for doing the computation; not any more compute power than an average laptop.

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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Post by notheguyouthink » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:58 PM UTC

Infernal wrote: post #205

I think this accident could've been entirely avoided had the small pink hatchback been a Tesla. My read on what happened here is that the pink car was making a passing maneuver, and just as the pink car driver checked their right-side mirror/blind-spot and hit the right turn signal to get out of the passing lane, the car ahead abruptly stopped. That explains why the pink car drifted so slowly to the right - it wasn't…

A safer following distance is crucial too, fwiw. It honestly feels like 90% of the vehicles on the highway travel at insanely close distances to each other.

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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Post by aidenn0 » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 5:59 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #212

aidenn0 wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1: Station wagons that seat more than 5 people basically don't exist anymore (last I checked only the Mercedes Benz could do so in the US). 2: Minivans have an image problem (still associated with the "soccer mom" stereotype for Gen X; millenials appear to be less averse to them). In addition, most minivans are elevated so that they can have a flat floor, so they similarly have an elevated center of gravity.

Bringing it back full circle, the Tesla Model S can also seat 7, as long as two are children (and you buy the option for third row seats).

Yeah, if I was willing to drop $90k on a car that would have been an option. The E-class station wagon is cheaper, but still more than we were looking at. The Mazda 5 was an amazing car, but is now discontinued in the US, meaning there are now no compact cars that can seat 6+.

Re: Tesla footage of braking before crash ahead [video]

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Post by mikeash » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 6:02 PM UTC

aidenn0 wrote: post #219

mikeash wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bringing it back full circle, the Tesla Model S can also seat 7, as long as two are children (and you buy the option for third row seats).

Yeah, if I was willing to drop $90k on a car that would have been an option. The E-class station wagon is cheaper, but still more than we were looking at. The Mazda 5 was an amazing car, but is now discontinued in the US, meaning there are now no compact cars that can seat 6+.

I didn't realize the Mazda 5 was discontinued. Too bad, it looked like a pretty practical design.