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Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by allendoerfer »

antr wrote: post #63

Germany... your anti-nuclear stance is detrimental to the environment...

At least Germany is not putting its neighbours at risk with rotten nuclear plants. Looking at you, Belgium [0].

Also, Germany does not export its nuclear waste, dear France [1].

The current situation with coal is bad and we have to solve it. And I know HN is pro nuclear and downvotes opposing opinions, but history has proven several times, that nuclear energy is not a very good option, either.

[0] http://www.dw.com/en/new-incident-at-belgiums-tihange-2-nucl...

[1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8...

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by melling »

merraksh wrote: post #69
melling wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wind kills lots of birds. http://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-... Add 100x the current number and we'll have a big problem. Downvoted to hell because "We don't like what you're saying". Wind has a negative. it's just a fact, not an opinion.

Adding 100x will still have wind turbines 100 times more innocuous than cats [0]. [0] http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/north-america-win...

1. It's a made up fact. http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2013/02/03/170851048/do-we-...

2. Cat's killing birds doesn't make it acceptable for humans to kill birds by the tens of millions.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by sgift »

witty_username wrote: post #61
masklinn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would be next to impossible to get access to a commissioned nuclear powerplant and enter containment as a visitor. Pish posh, it's absolutely possible to visit active nuclear plants, usually for free, though you may need a small group (half a dozen or more) depending on the operator.

But can you enter containment?

Yes, you can. The only area we didn't visit when I toured Isar 2 was the control room (we looked through the window and got a description of the various parts and their function).

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by karlerss »

avar wrote: post #5

Does anyone know of interesting tours you can take of electricity production in Europe or energy infrastructure in general? I'm in The Netherlands, but would be willing to travel for it. A real tour of a nuclear plant would be awesome (i.e. getting to hear / see the reactor), but tours of wind farms / turbines / dams etc. would also be great. Preferably in English.

There's an oil shale museum in Estonia. The tour covers visiting actual underground oil shale mine tunnels and a general museum about oil shale enrichment, chemistry and energetics. See: http://kaevandusmuuseum.ee/eng/

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Post by TillE »

ajmurmann wrote: post #66
_ph_ wrote: post #19

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Well, if you read those conversations, you might notice that people think that - nuclear is very expensive - nuclear has a waste and risk problem - wind and solar are price competitive and very environment friendly

If you look at German power generation at this very moment you will see that they have huge wind and solar capacity, but the energy right now is mainly coming from coal. I'm not sure if I should prefer nuclear or coal to step in in these wind still winter days. Of course more energy storage would be even better.

Wind and solar are still growing in Germany. Wind turbines are a relatively common sight, but pretty sparse. Building nuclear plants even in an ideal fantasy world would be hugely expensive and slow.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by alephnil »

masklinn wrote: post #56
zhte415 wrote: post #52

Fascinating to see the potential use, vs. the actual 'right now' capacity viewing this at 3pm GMT. And also interesting to see the import/export power figures: How one region supports, though nothing like the capacity needed to substitute renewables' variance. France is really leading consistency of capacity vs. generation with Nuclear. France also seems to have 4 times hydro capacity of Portugal, which is interestin…

> Why is Norway consuming 22GW but UK only about 40-45GW, and Germand 60-65GW, given the great disparity in population of Norway? Electric heating? Lower temperatures? Oslo is currently freezing (below 0C), neither London nor Berlin are.

Norway is heating houses almost exclusively using electricity, and also has a cold climate.

In addition, a substantial aluminium production and other smelters, as well as running many oil and gas platforms as well as processing plants and refineries on land on electricity. Electricity from hydropower is cheaper than running them on gas or oil.

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Post by 0x0 »

lgeek wrote: post #22
ivanmilles wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chernobyl is still open for tours, afaik. You won't get very close to any of the running reactors (and not the closed one, of course) but the tours generally go through the complex' main road and through the Pripyat ghost town.

> You won't get very close to any of the running reactors They've all been decommissioned. #3 was the last one to shut down in 2000. On a related note, this Youtube user [0] has videos from what appear to be tours inside units 2, 3 and 4 (the one which suffered the meltdown in '86). The one from the reactor hall in unit 2 [1] is particularly interesting. [0] https://www.youtube.com/user/Thallium208/videos [1] https:/…

I can't help but think of Half-Life and Portal watching those videos. Quite incredible footage.

Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries

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Post by krona »

avar wrote: post #5

Does anyone know of interesting tours you can take of electricity production in Europe or energy infrastructure in general? I'm in The Netherlands, but would be willing to travel for it. A real tour of a nuclear plant would be awesome (i.e. getting to hear / see the reactor), but tours of wind farms / turbines / dams etc. would also be great. Preferably in English.

You can tour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station, which includes going deep in to the Elidir Fawr mountain, and tours around the turbine hall and other interesting things.

Or at least you could 10 years ago.

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