Amazon refuses to let police access US murder suspect’s Echo recordings

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 2:18 PM UTC

fixermark wrote: post #32

Quarrelsome wrote: post #26

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its a fine line. There is a great fear of false positives from such inference. Let us imagine for a second that there is a legitimate reason for that water use that he doesn't wish to disclose because it would incriminate him for something else? Hypothetically speaking if you were doing some grey-hat, "illegal" probing/hack at the time of a murder the police question you about; admitting to your actual activity could…

"A legitimate reason for that water use that he doesn't wish to disclose because it would incriminate him for something else" is an odd definition of "legitimate." ;)

Post by notsoeasy » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 2:19 PM UTC

falcolas wrote: post #40

gm-conspiracy wrote: post #14

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...or you live somewhere with glass windows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_microphone

Laser microphones at least require you to be targeted prior to the warrant, and typically require someone on the other end. They can't retroactively request data from a laser microphone attached to most US households.

Post by johnward » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 2:19 PM UTC

fixermark wrote: post #32

Quarrelsome wrote: post #26

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its a fine line. There is a great fear of false positives from such inference. Let us imagine for a second that there is a legitimate reason for that water use that he doesn't wish to disclose because it would incriminate him for something else? Hypothetically speaking if you were doing some grey-hat, "illegal" probing/hack at the time of a murder the police question you about; admitting to your actual activity could…

"A legitimate reason for that water use that he doesn't wish to disclose because it would incriminate him for something else" is an odd definition of "legitimate." ;)

Post by cmdrfred » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 2:21 PM UTC

ryanlol wrote: post #8

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If they weren't encrypted, could they not just get the data via 'other channels' anyway?

Some arkansas cops investigating run-of-the-mill violent crime aren't going to be able to get access to retroactive packet captures of this guys connection. Even the NSA probably couldn't get such packet captures, but they'd be able to get the data from Amazons end.

Post by Symbiote » Wed, Dec 28, 2016, 2:21 PM UTC

Godel_unicode wrote: post #45

WalterBright wrote: post #24

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You can tell when someone's home or not from utility usage.

Timers and automation are a thing.