That's really cool. :)
Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries
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#32Does anyone know of interesting tours you can take of electricity production in Europe or energy infrastructure in general? I'm in The Netherlands, but would be willing to travel for it. A real tour of a nuclear plant would be awesome (i.e. getting to hear / see the reactor), but tours of wind farms / turbines / dams etc. would also be great. Preferably in English.
It would be next to impossible to get access to a commissioned nuclear powerplant and enter containment as a visitor. However, there is a nuclear power plant in vienna that was never used and can be visited: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwentendorf_Nuclear_Power_Plan...
Additionally, many universities have research reactors - they often have tours or a tour can be easily arranged.
Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries
#33Does anyone know of interesting tours you can take of electricity production in Europe or energy infrastructure in general? I'm in The Netherlands, but would be willing to travel for it. A real tour of a nuclear plant would be awesome (i.e. getting to hear / see the reactor), but tours of wind farms / turbines / dams etc. would also be great. Preferably in English.
I’ve been to two power plants in the Czech republic:
Temelin, nuclear power plan [1]. Pretty nice information center in a historical building with models, plant simulator and a small cinema. Although the most exciting part is visiting the actual power plant site - generators, accompanying infrastructure, going through radiation check point. Not sure if the site visit is publicly available.
Lipno, hydro plant [2]. Not as interesting information center as in Temelin, but the underground facility with turbines, generators and outlet tunnels makes you realize the huge mass of water in the dam and the amount of power the plant is able to generate.
The next item on my bucket list is pumped-storage in Dlouhe Strane [3], which looks like a hill with the peak cut off, having there a large pond instead.
Sources: [1] https://www.cez.cz/en/power-plants-and-environment/nuclear-p... [2] https://www.cez.cz/en/contacts/information-centers/lipno-inf... [3] https://www.cez.cz/en/contacts/information-centers/dlouhe-st...
Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries
#34I think the visualization is misleading, it seems to highlight energy mix rather than absolute numbers. eg Poland looks bad but Germany burns twice the amount of coal that Poland does. (Per head of population its probably about the same) Germany looks better because it has some other sources mixed in there.
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#35Poland what the uck are you doing? Literally black spot on EU map. Stop burning that much coal. Fix it ASAP.
Been there many times. Old condos, homes have coal burning furnaces. People have no money to replace them despite aid from EU to convert to gas. Some people throw everything into the furnace to burn for heat. It's not pleasant to walk outside and breath air fowled by burning plastic bottles.
Actually we burn "renewable" wood here and decrease catastrophic effects of global warming caused by more developed economies.
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#36Is Poland using almost only coal?
Yes. Poland was affected by Chernobyls fallout and public opinion led to the dismantling of the building of nuclear power plants.
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#37Nuclear FTW. Of course, it always loses in any HN conversation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13234463
Well, if you read those conversations, you might notice that people think that - nuclear is very expensive - nuclear has a waste and risk problem - wind and solar are price competitive and very environment friendly
Wind kills lots of birds.
http://www.audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-...
Add 100x the current number and we'll have a big problem.
Downvoted to hell because "We don't like what you're saying".
Wind has a negative. it's just a fact, not an opinion.
Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries
#38Does anyone know of interesting tours you can take of electricity production in Europe or energy infrastructure in general? I'm in The Netherlands, but would be willing to travel for it. A real tour of a nuclear plant would be awesome (i.e. getting to hear / see the reactor), but tours of wind farms / turbines / dams etc. would also be great. Preferably in English.
Austria's largest electricity provider "Verbund" offers tours at many of their facilities (mostly hydro-power):
https://www.verbund.com/en-at/about-verbund/visitors-centres
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#39Anyone knows what happened to the "ozone layer desctructed" scare out of 20 something years back? Did it die naturally or someone just had to pay someone for it to be silenced?
We took steps to stop damaging it, and it is gradually recovering. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/30/ozone-la...
oh no, lier, lier, pants on fire! It was absolutely unstoppable, don't you know?
Re: Live display of CO2 emitted to produce electricity in European countries
#40Nuclear FTW. Of course, it always loses in any HN conversation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13234463
Well, if you read those conversations, you might notice that people think that - nuclear is very expensive - nuclear has a waste and risk problem - wind and solar are price competitive and very environment friendly
> nuclear is very expensive
If you disagree, and have an argument, why are you not providing it?
> nuclear has a waste and risk problem
Yes, and?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-level_radioactive_waste_m...
> Thus, Alfvén identified two fundamental prerequisites for effective management of high-level radioactive waste: (1) stable geological formations, and (2) stable human institutions over hundreds of thousands of years. As Alfvén suggests, no known human civilization has ever endured for so long, and no geologic formation of adequate size for a permanent radioactive waste repository has yet been discovered that has been stable for so long a period.
In other words, we have no, zero, ZILCH real solutions, and just hand-wave it away. Future generations might come up with something. They may not. But hey, let's not be a "scaremonger", let's not be like great minds of the 20th century who paid attention. Let's be shitty consumers with the attention span of a goldfish. Fuck that so much.
> wind and solar are price competitive and very environment friendly
And don't forget they're not using up resources we have a a.) limited supply of and b.) could use for more interesting things than burning them, but instead using energy that the sun pelts us with anyway. That's kind of a fundamental difference. It's the elephant on the couch, I'd say.