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Opera joins in Jobs v Flash argument

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Re: Opera joins in Jobs v Flash argument

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"Today's internet content is dependant on Flash," said Grønvold. "If you remove Flash you do not have today's internet." That may be for some folks I guess. I run Safari with all plugins disabled and I'm able to do anything I want to do on the internet. To me, Flash is irrelevant.

Sure, and some people are perfectly happy using lynx. But the vast majority of people I know either use Hulu and/or play Flash games frequently, especially those in Apple's target demographic.

Re: Opera joins in Jobs v Flash argument

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post #17

"Opera's growing influence in browsers has been illustrated by the huge take-up of the Opera browser for iPhone" Really? I don't know a single person who has switched to Opera on iPhone.

It was the #1 iPhone app in numerous catgories shortly after it was released, probably where that statement is coming from.

I downloaded it because I was curious. I haven't opened it since.

Re: Opera joins in Jobs v Flash argument

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post #18

"Today's internet content is dependant on Flash," said Grønvold. "If you remove Flash you do not have today's internet." That may be for some folks I guess. I run Safari with all plugins disabled and I'm able to do anything I want to do on the internet. To me, Flash is irrelevant.

I've been using Firefox with Flash disabled for the last couple of days because of the obnoxious flash adds on m-w.com. I keep being surprised by how widely Flash is used.

Re: Opera joins in Jobs v Flash argument

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post #8
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People seem so focused on Flash in relation to games and video online, but they all fail to take into account the ability of Flash to access things like your webcam and microphone. So far as I know, these are not capabilities that are going to be part of HTML5.

I have more trust allowing Skype access my webcam and mic. How often are these capabilities of Flash used (besides chatroulette)?

ustream, stickam, chatroulette to name of few. ustream and stickam have been around a lot longer than Chatroulette too. I remember Leo Laporte pimping ustream back in '05 or so on one of his podcasts. Services like UStream allowed him to host 'live' video/podcasts where the audience could watch live (or download later) and somewhat participate in the podcast. This is something that would be a lot harder to do with Skype, at least on the video end of things.

I'm not defending Flash here. I'm just annoyed when people declare Flash useless because HTML5 'replaces it,' while completely ignoring aspects of it that HTML5 doesn't replace.

Re: Opera joins in Jobs v Flash argument

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> "Because eventually we will have the canvas [of the web] in good quality and we'll have the toolsets to use that canvas in the quality but in the foreseeable future, 18 months or so, Flash is not going away and it is critical."

What? Canvas of the web? Use it in the quality? Is this regarding ?

Re: Opera joins in Jobs v Flash argument

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post #18

"Today's internet content is dependant on Flash," said Grønvold. "If you remove Flash you do not have today's internet." That may be for some folks I guess. I run Safari with all plugins disabled and I'm able to do anything I want to do on the internet. To me, Flash is irrelevant.

I use ClickToFlash for Safari and I miss A Lot...

of ads.

Well, not really miss :)

Re: Opera joins in Jobs v Flash argument

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post #5

Seems like a sane sentiment, although I personally think flash still has a place. I don't imagine that five years from now we'll be looking at flash as a relic.

People seem so focused on Flash in relation to games and video online, but they all fail to take into account the ability of Flash to access things like your webcam and microphone. So far as I know, these are not capabilities that are going to be part of HTML5.

Just a quick google search:

http://www.w3.org/2009/05/DeviceAPICharter

I only found out about this a few weeks ago, from another hn link. It's coming :)

Re: Opera joins in Jobs v Flash argument

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"Opera's growing influence in browsers has been illustrated by the huge take-up of the Opera browser for iPhone" Really? I don't know a single person who has switched to Opera on iPhone.

People would only switch to Opera Mini if that particular app's feature set (a method of low bandwith browsing) appealed to them. People would only be able to switch to Opera Mobile, an actual browser, if Apple allowed people to write apps using the basic technology elements that underlie browsers, but they don't.
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