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Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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ArXiv is incredibly useful for research, but I think people also use it for a sort of "I posted it to arXiv first, therefore I solved it first" kind of thing, which imo can be misleading at times, if not everyone follows that. Also there is the eprint.iacr.org which seems to do the same thing, except for cryptography (or is it cryptology?), so I'm not sure if every important preprint in that topic gets to arXiv.

> I think people also use it for a sort of "I posted it to arXiv first, therefore I solved it first" kind of thing, which imo can be misleading at times True, but I don't see that fights over precedence are unique to ArXiv either, or even made worse by it, no? I mean, at least now there is an unambiguous date-stamped public place to cite in this kind of fight. And those fights provide a built-in incentive to put stuf…

> True, but I don't see that fights over precedence are unique to ArXiv either, or even made worse by it, no?

I'm not familiar enough with other methods of preprint publishing besides arXiv / eprint.iacr, but you may be right that it is not unique to arXiv.

My personal preference would to be to have bits of research done through something like git, so that work along the way can be seen, otherwise one may solve a problem and then be 'out-arXived' by someone who spends an all nighter tex-ing your solution (this is a hyperbolic example, but I think the idea of the potential flaw in the system should be clear).

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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I hope it is replaced with something better soon. You cannot see access statistics concerning the papers you upload, and they provide this absurd reason for not doing it: https://arxiv.org/help/faq/statfaq (it seems they think arxiv users are idiots or something, so they have to take care of us). Also getting the uploaded latex files to be compiled without errors is a pain, and they don't let you to just upload the p…

After reading your comment, I was inclined to agree with you about the statistics. After reading their FAQ, I was convinced to side with them.

Their point is that the stats are garbage-level useless. And I can imagine people bragging elsewhere that their paper received X,000 hits when in reality it's all spam or bots. It's not arxiv's responsibility to monitor that, but it wouldn't feel good to facilitate that kind of disinformation or invite hit inflation. Especially as scientists, we want to either publish good data or no data, not data that we know to be garbage.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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I hope it is replaced with something better soon. You cannot see access statistics concerning the papers you upload, and they provide this absurd reason for not doing it: https://arxiv.org/help/faq/statfaq (it seems they think arxiv users are idiots or something, so they have to take care of us). Also getting the uploaded latex files to be compiled without errors is a pain, and they don't let you to just upload the p…

Not providing raw download counts seems like a good thing; it's strongly privacy preserving.

On the other hand, perhaps a way for registered users to star papers that they like (similar to how Github lets you star projects) might be a good thing. It serves much the same purpose as a rough measure of popularity, but is entirely voluntary.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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I hope it is replaced with something better soon. You cannot see access statistics concerning the papers you upload, and they provide this absurd reason for not doing it: https://arxiv.org/help/faq/statfaq (it seems they think arxiv users are idiots or something, so they have to take care of us). Also getting the uploaded latex files to be compiled without errors is a pain, and they don't let you to just upload the p…

After reading your comment, I was inclined to agree with you about the statistics. After reading their FAQ, I was convinced to side with them. Their point is that the stats are garbage-level useless. And I can imagine people bragging elsewhere that their paper received X,000 hits when in reality it's all spam or bots. It's not arxiv's responsibility to monitor that, but it wouldn't feel good to facilitate that kind o…

As a scientist, give me the data and I will know what to do with it. AFAIK in the http://biorxiv.org/ they provide some statistics and it does not represent a problem.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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This article misses one of the biggest value-adds of arXiv, at least in my field (Statistics): since almost everyone posts to arXiv, you can almost always find a free version of a published and potentially pay-walled paper. In the past, publishing in a peer-reviewed journal would (1) improve the paper through peer review, (2) signal the quality of the paper based on the prestige of the journal, and (3) distribute the…

This is an excellent point. It makes one wonder why academic journal publishers even need to exist anymore. The peer reviewers (who don't get paid anyway) could just as easily do the same job and issue a "stamp of approval".

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the median scientific paper is wrong. Are you being literal about that or is that just a figure of speech? Could you please provide a source for those claims, if true?

I assume he's alluding to Ioannidis's 2005 paper "Why Most Published Research Findings Are False"[0] and/or the replication crisis[1] in general. [0] http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/jou... [1] http://www.nature.com/news/1-500-scientists-lift-the-lid-on-...

Partly that and also based on my experience getting a PhD in physics where I found: (i) published physics papers with 30 pages of math in them frequently had errors, (ii) if you have a large number of signs the odds are 50-50 you will get the sign right in a long calculation, and (iii) you can't say high energy physics papers are "right" or "wrong" anyway... I mean, does anybody think we really live in an anti-DeSitter space?

Medicine on the other hand has the problem that you can't really afford large enough sample sizes to have sufficient statistical power.

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

After reading your comment, I was inclined to agree with you about the statistics. After reading their FAQ, I was convinced to side with them. Their point is that the stats are garbage-level useless. And I can imagine people bragging elsewhere that their paper received X,000 hits when in reality it's all spam or bots. It's not arxiv's responsibility to monitor that, but it wouldn't feel good to facilitate that kind o…

As a scientist, give me the data and I will know what to do with it. AFAIK in the http://biorxiv.org/ they provide some statistics and it does not represent a problem.

As a fellow scientist, I'm much more concerned with how others will interpret these access data. I'm not excited about the prospect of yet another unreliable signal for e.g. hiring committees to latch onto, as they often do with journal impact factors and such.

It might be nice if ArXiv would perhaps provide the data to researchers on request. Just curious -- what kinds of questions would you use this data to answer?

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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Interesting to learn how to pronounce it correctly. I've always just said arx-iv like it's spelled.

It is pronounced like it's spelled; the X is a chi.

Except the chi-derived 'X' in English is pronounced /ks/. As is true in Latin, from which our word 'archive' comes. If you really wanted to use a Greek chi, it should have been αρχείο.org...

Re: Library-managed 'arXiv' spreads scientific advances rapidly and worldwide

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This article misses one of the biggest value-adds of arXiv, at least in my field (Statistics): since almost everyone posts to arXiv, you can almost always find a free version of a published and potentially pay-walled paper. In the past, publishing in a peer-reviewed journal would (1) improve the paper through peer review, (2) signal the quality of the paper based on the prestige of the journal, and (3) distribute the…

This is an excellent point. It makes one wonder why academic journal publishers even need to exist anymore. The peer reviewers (who don't get paid anyway) could just as easily do the same job and issue a "stamp of approval".

Same reason CAs exist for signing certificates: trust.
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