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Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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IMHO it's the best FOSS photo application out there. It's cross platform, fast, stable and manages the whole photo workflow (RAW developing, photo management, non destructive editing). Thanks darktable folks!

I regret that I haven't really had the opportunity to explore Darktable very thoroughly. Every time I would try to point it at my library folder it would choke to death. Perhaps I should re-organize around Darktable, but right now I have other components of my workflow that are hard to imagine replacing, primarily DxO -- this was the main driver that got me to switch to a Windows host running a Linux VM and doing all my real work over SSH to the local VM, after years of struggling through painfully slow editing in a Windows VM on a Linux host. I resent that Windows's bad, less flexible behavior has forced me to make it my host OS. :'(

At the moment I don't have a good library app, I just browse the directory structure. I've tried Lightroom but it too struggles with my library folder, although unlike Darktable, it is marginally usable. I've tried Digikam, and while it's the only one that seems to handle the library in a semi-respectable fashion (with the experimental, now-deprecated MySQL backend enabled, which iirc took some manual massaging to even make compile anymore), it's hard to get the components I really wanted to work reliably (it's very important the my camera's GPS tags can be mapped and sorted; this is my main interest in a library manager and as of now, all such programs are too overloaded to do this competently or half-broken like Digikam's integration, and when I need GPS-based information I guess I will have to try to write a script that reads the coords out manually with exiftool instead of trying out Yet Another Library Manager).

Adobe is absolutely that 1k lb gorilla in the room that everyone is afraid to compete with. Add to that that photography programs are very difficult and complex work and it makes the field, particularly the field of volunteer developers who make contributions to a FOSS project, pretty limited.

For the record, the current size of my library:

    [me@my_host photos]$ find . -name .snapshots -prune -o -iname "*.CR2" -print | wc -l | xargs printf "%'d\n"
    97,596
    [me@my_host photos]$ find . -name .snapshots -prune -o -iname "*.JPG" -print | wc -l | xargs printf "%'d\n"
    177,785
    [me@my_host photos]$ du -sh --exclude=./.snapshots
    2.8T    .
.snapshots being the btrfs snapshot tree, which makes these numbers about 16x higher, but is a relatively recent addition (around the time I moved to a Windows host) so isn't the reason everything has choked historically. Hopefully stuff like Lightroom isn't trying to parse these directories as well. I guess I could blacklist them from sharing in Samba to try to get around it.

Open to any tips others may have.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Can someone compare it to Adobe Lightroom? Is it truly usable, is it quick enough? I am stuck on classic dilemma "apple fucked up, what should I do", so I am planning moving back to Linux, but Lightroom is the only application keeping me back (however, I thought of OSX in VM on Linux for running just LR).

I was facing the same dilemma, and photo is a source of income to me. I made the jump, use Linux and Darktable every day, and experienced no frustration at all. I didn't try to run macOS in a vm though. To answer your questions : it is quick, and I find it to be a very good replacement for lightroom. To me, it's actually easier to extend than adobe software, mostly because Lua is very simple and the documentation is…

Great, thanks for sharing your experience :)

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Wow you weren't kidding. > It may be better to go help out some other free software project that already had the misfortune of working on that platform... I understand their points about maintenance, but telling someone to go work on something else rather than keeping an experimental branch around, sheesh. As someone who appreciates open source and works primarily on Windows I really wish they had a better attitude.…

I've only read that quote, but to me that doesn't seem like a rude thing to say. I interpret it as "This windows branch is awful, it might be better for you to abandon that effort and work on something with more potential". I hear it as criticizing the code, not the person. Edit: I read a little more, looks like the devs were upset because windows isn't a free platform, and they didn't want darktable's reputation mar…

It was in the context of building trust, basically "go away and work on another project so we know who you are before you can touch our holy code".

That guy came in with a great attitude and approach, he pretty much got told to pack it.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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IMHO it's the best FOSS photo application out there. It's cross platform, fast, stable and manages the whole photo workflow (RAW developing, photo management, non destructive editing). Thanks darktable folks!

Definitely agree! I make a substantial part of my income (just enough to pay rent) selling photography, and I recently dropped ps and lightroom in favor of Darktable. The change didn't happen in a day, but Darktable is so good I don't think I'll ever need to come back to Adobe. Notable plus, I can now spend most of my time on Linux, no more need to use my Macbook for photo work. The interface is not really good for s…

Any experience using RawTherapee also? Just an hobbyist myself and moving away from the Mac platform so figuring out the best alternatives.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Can someone compare it to Adobe Lightroom? Is it truly usable, is it quick enough? I am stuck on classic dilemma "apple fucked up, what should I do", so I am planning moving back to Linux, but Lightroom is the only application keeping me back (however, I thought of OSX in VM on Linux for running just LR).

I was facing the same dilemma, and photo is a source of income to me. I made the jump, use Linux and Darktable every day, and experienced no frustration at all. I didn't try to run macOS in a vm though. To answer your questions : it is quick, and I find it to be a very good replacement for lightroom. To me, it's actually easier to extend than adobe software, mostly because Lua is very simple and the documentation is…

Fwiw lightroom is mainly written in lua

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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I agree with you - Lightroom is the sizzle. But if you happen to convert Fujifilm RAF files on a regular basis, then there are image quality issues with ACP that might make the switchover decision easier for you.

The Fuji issue has mostly been solved. I used to use Irident Developer for my RAFs but since switching to the X-T2 and the latest LR updates the old issues are gone. I've compared IR to LR a few times and there's no real difference if you know how to use the sharpening tool in LR properly. The older sensors still exhibit the issue a bit though.

Glad to hear. Naturally Lightroom doesn't fit my Linux workhorse very well but it has the best workflow. Nice to hear it has improved -- many attributed Fujifilm's poor image detail to how ACP made the conversions early on.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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It's a pity most compare it to Lightroom, whereas there are more sound competitors - take a look at RawTherapee, Capture One, ON1 Photo RAW or SilkyPix.

All of them have ups and downs, Rawtherapee is fast bug buggy as hell and has no adjustment layers, Capture One is marvellous but has political problems with supporting files from the medium-format Pentax, ON1 Photo RAW is a freshly released piece of software and it managed to crash on my images.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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IMHO it's the best FOSS photo application out there. It's cross platform, fast, stable and manages the whole photo workflow (RAW developing, photo management, non destructive editing). Thanks darktable folks!

Definitely agree! I make a substantial part of my income (just enough to pay rent) selling photography, and I recently dropped ps and lightroom in favor of Darktable. The change didn't happen in a day, but Darktable is so good I don't think I'll ever need to come back to Adobe. Notable plus, I can now spend most of my time on Linux, no more need to use my Macbook for photo work. The interface is not really good for s…

I'm sure you're sick of getting asked this, since it's asked every time someone who makes some money from photography mentions it, as there are many wannabe photogs out there, but how do you monetize your photos? Stock photo marketplaces like Dreamtime? Event photography (i.e., getting paid to take photos and provide prints of said photos, not getting paid for photos directly)? Online marketplaces for more artistic-oriented photos like 500px?

Personally my photos provide indirect value. People don't pay for them, but they drive traffic to a property that people pay to use. I've dabbled with the concept of selling them directly or taking more stock-style photos, but never really gotten serious about it.

Again, I know this question is annoying, so if you don't wanna answer, no biggie. :)

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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RT has no real workflow, more a set of tools that you might apply somehow, GUI reflects that, seems unorganized. DT seems to have more advanced algorithms and tools. Both are excellent. Does not hurt to have both in your toolbelt.

RT has more controls for finetuning (some of which is very necessary for Fujifilm RAF files still) while DT has never crashed on me. CLUT support is nice, I play with it when I happen to develop from raw data. I should probably participate in DT's tracker and try to get the few shortcomings fixed... that should do for a new year's resolution: more participation in OS communities. :)

I just tried out the new version. While I suspect the older ones also had the options there but now I confirmed that the demosaic controls in DT are as good as in RT.
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