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Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by wjvdhoek »

alfanick wrote: post #16

Can someone compare it to Adobe Lightroom? Is it truly usable, is it quick enough? I am stuck on classic dilemma "apple fucked up, what should I do", so I am planning moving back to Linux, but Lightroom is the only application keeping me back (however, I thought of OSX in VM on Linux for running just LR).

Since I moved to Linux as my daily driver, I've been using Darktable as prefered editor. I do have to say that I'm not a high demanding user, so you'll have to take my experience with a grain of salt. Coming from Lightroom there's a slight learning curve and it's not as refined as Lightroom. But once you get the hang of things, it's really a great editor. Definitely quick but also really usable. The interface can sometimes be somewhat confusing, I can recall several occasions at which I didn't really know how to use a tool or preset. Luckily I'm better at googling than photography. I don't miss Lightroom at all and as of yet have not encountered any missing features.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by JorgeGT »

wtallis wrote: post #15
JorgeGT wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's cross platform Are there Windows builds? There was a guy that did but he stopped at 2.0.

There's been renewed work on a clean Windows port in recent months: https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/1327

Interesting! They almost lynched the guy at the beginning but seems that there's progress.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by unhammer »

alfanick wrote: post #16

Can someone compare it to Adobe Lightroom? Is it truly usable, is it quick enough? I am stuck on classic dilemma "apple fucked up, what should I do", so I am planning moving back to Linux, but Lightroom is the only application keeping me back (however, I thought of OSX in VM on Linux for running just LR).

Well, on Linux, darktable is incredibly much quicker than LR-in-wine ;-)

I also find DT more intuitive, which seems a bit weird considering the interface is so heavily inspired by LR (or did they just learn from LR's mistakes?).

The main reason to use LR is if you buy filter packs/plugins that are LR-only

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by bsharitt »

alfanick wrote: post #16

Can someone compare it to Adobe Lightroom? Is it truly usable, is it quick enough? I am stuck on classic dilemma "apple fucked up, what should I do", so I am planning moving back to Linux, but Lightroom is the only application keeping me back (however, I thought of OSX in VM on Linux for running just LR).

I think Darktable fits the mold of a lot of other good free software in that it's well features and probably does what you need it too, but the proprietary equivalent(Lightroom in this case) is a more polished and easier to jump into, or at that's what I got from trying to introduce both(along with I think LightZone and a couple others) to my wife and she was just better able to pickup Lightroom. But if you want to move to Linux and take the time to get to know Darktable, I think it'll ultimately be a good replacement.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by groks »

alfanick wrote: post #16

Can someone compare it to Adobe Lightroom? Is it truly usable, is it quick enough? I am stuck on classic dilemma "apple fucked up, what should I do", so I am planning moving back to Linux, but Lightroom is the only application keeping me back (however, I thought of OSX in VM on Linux for running just LR).

As a quick guide to trying it for yourself (it's cross-platform, free software) have a look at these videos:

https://www.youtube.com/user/harrydurgin/videos

He has the topics and modules covered in each video cross-referenced over at his website:

http://weeklyedit.com/

You're bound to find something useful.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by abricot »

geppetto wrote: post #12
vr46 wrote: post #8

I am going to tentatively give this a go after ten years or so of Lightroom. The major problem apart from learning a new application is of course dealing with ten years of Lightroom catalogues and the metadata they contain. Further updates as events unfold ;)

Maybe that could work: "Allow to import/export tags from Lightroom keyword files" (Release notes)

Then we just need

"Full support for DNG files"

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by vr46 »

alfanick wrote: post #16

Can someone compare it to Adobe Lightroom? Is it truly usable, is it quick enough? I am stuck on classic dilemma "apple fucked up, what should I do", so I am planning moving back to Linux, but Lightroom is the only application keeping me back (however, I thought of OSX in VM on Linux for running just LR).

I've just given it a hammering today and while I'd love to love it, DT is not going to give the LR team sleepless nights. It feels quick, but the interface lacks the silky refinement and there's a lack of coherence in the workflow. Plus the correction effects work poorly, such as shadow correction which affects regions outside shadows in one direction, not all shadows in another. The workflow coherence is based on the old Adobe RAW flow, which meant that all controls were to be applied from the top down in the order, starting with white balance and moving down. That coherence was diluted somewhat in newer versions of LR, but it is still good.

I too am shackled to OS X by LR, but I am a very demanding, heavy user of LR.

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by exception_e »

JorgeGT wrote: post #22
wtallis wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's been renewed work on a clean Windows port in recent months: https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/1327

Interesting! They almost lynched the guy at the beginning but seems that there's progress.

It is very interesting. I don't want to intrude on their thread, but if others here vouch for this technique I'll politely ask them to look into the following:

- https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desk...

- http://boot2docker.io/

...has anyone here ever used this approach with nix apps that need to run on Windows "natively"? Writing a powershell script to silently install boot2docker with this special docker image wouldn't be too difficult. The DarkTable folks don't seem interesting in maintaining Win builds so this may be the perfect workaround.

NOTE: I realize that `File > Open Image` may be non-trivial, but surely there's a way to mount a hostguest folder (e.g.: When using the application, the workspace is located in `C:\Users\$whoami\Documents\DarkTable\.jpg`)

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by vr46 »

geppetto wrote: post #12
vr46 wrote: post #8

I am going to tentatively give this a go after ten years or so of Lightroom. The major problem apart from learning a new application is of course dealing with ten years of Lightroom catalogues and the metadata they contain. Further updates as events unfold ;)

Maybe that could work: "Allow to import/export tags from Lightroom keyword files" (Release notes)

Tags should be simple to transfer, but actual image corrections do not move over. That's the real issue, a decade of corrections being lost :)

Re: Darktable 2.2.0 released

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Post by sz4kerto »

exception_e wrote: post #28
JorgeGT wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting! They almost lynched the guy at the beginning but seems that there's progress.

It is very interesting. I don't want to intrude on their thread, but if others here vouch for this technique I'll politely ask them to look into the following: - https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desk... - http://boot2docker.io/ ...has anyone here ever used this approach with nix apps that need to run on Windows "natively"? Writing a powershell script to silently install boot2docker with this sp…

Boot2Docker is not for this purpose. Silently installing a VM on a Windows PC is a very bad idea. If the user is not proficient enough to know about and configure the VM, then what happens if

- B2D installs a Virtualbox instance, but Hyper-V is on. VBox can't run besides Hyper-V.

- How do you configure the resource usage for the VM?Something like Darktable requires a lot of resources

- How do you manage shared folders? VBox shared folder performance is really bad compared to native

- Do you install an X server as well?

Anyway -- it's just a bad idea.

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