There are far cheaper ways to eat than going out and being waited on hand and foot. If you don't like that kind of service and the premium price that comes with it, go to the grocery store and cook your own meal!
No tipping means better business
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#242There are far cheaper ways to eat than going out and being waited on hand and foot. If you don't like that kind of service and the premium price that comes with it, go to the grocery store and cook your own meal!
It's not always cheaper, especially when you account for time and effort lost.
Eating out isn't only about fine dining; there are plenty of cheap and healthy places quite suited for everyday meals.
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#243Maybe I'm ruining it for everyone, but when I've gone to New York's budding "no tip" restaurants, I've thrown a cash tip on the bill.
Guess what happened next? I was asked my name, and the next times I went, I got seated faster, comped chef's recommendations and a generally friendlier interaction with my server. Same thing happens abroad, where the locals don't tip well.
I don't understand how people get shocked by fundamental rules of incentives.
(Side note: this works everywhere. No, I don't put cash on my banker's or retail clerk's counter. But I do make an effort, particularly when doing things they'll earn a commission on, to do my business with them. In exchange for the minor hassle I have a better experience and get an enjoyable relationship out of what would otherwise be drudgery.)
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#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have strong opinions on tipping either way. Personally, I prefer a culture where tips are an optional extra in culture. You do it when pleasantly surprised. That's nothing more than an "i like it this way" though. That said, who says "the worker's salary is a employer's responsibility?" Monetary culture is ancient and emergent. It's culture. Complicated, organic, varied and local. That doesn't mean that we sh…
Is there a place where "tips are an optional extra"? It seems wherever I've been they are either expected or not expected/allowed...
Australia would count for tips as an "optional extra" (for food service. I don't think I've ever tipped anyone else in Aus)
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#245Jobs that have a high component of tip income, generally tend to be low wage (total comp), seasonal, have high turnover, employ younger workers (again, generally), and are transaction oriented. With the above in mind it makes sense to use tipping to align enployees and management in a situation where management can't spend the time developing/micro managing its employees You think the average teenage valet is going t…
If it is his job, he will run for the car. Otherwise he'll lose his job?
He'll lose his job in a month, when a distracted and overworked manager finally decides he's had enough. But since he only wanted that job for a couple of months, he doesn't care about it.
But a tip is something he's going to get here and now. Much better for immediate motivation.
Re: No tipping means better business
#246There are far cheaper ways to eat than going out and being waited on hand and foot. If you don't like that kind of service and the premium price that comes with it, go to the grocery store and cook your own meal!
It's not always cheaper, especially when you account for time and effort lost. Eating out isn't only about fine dining; there are plenty of cheap and healthy places quite suited for everyday meals.
Are these places you refer to self service? If so tipping isn't really in play in most cases.
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
Worse still, tipping is merely a way of keeping class hierarchies, and it's disgusting. When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. Of course, they might not too. Labor laws, minimum wage, etc are all there to make this illegal in a work contract, and it should b…
> When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. So you also dislike bonuses for white collar professionals? Because it's exactly the same thing.
It's not really the same thing unless you're thinking of a different bonus than I am. The bonuses I get are typically a couple times a year after a long slog through a difficult or time sensitive part of a project.
A server gets their tips probably about once an hour or so and the amount from one customer may differ with essentially the same service for another customer. Esentially random and arbitrary.
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have strong opinions on tipping either way. Personally, I prefer a culture where tips are an optional extra in culture. You do it when pleasantly surprised. That's nothing more than an "i like it this way" though. That said, who says "the worker's salary is a employer's responsibility?" Monetary culture is ancient and emergent. It's culture. Complicated, organic, varied and local. That doesn't mean that we sh…
Is there a place where "tips are an optional extra"? It seems wherever I've been they are either expected or not expected/allowed...
In Germany it's somewhat "optional", as the tip is supposed to represent how happy you've been with the service and there's legislature in place that specifically states that tips are not supposed to be part of the wage. But that also depends on the service you are using.
A small tip can also go a long way of making you a preferred customer: At my favorite Thai place I sometimes round up what I pay by 50 cent, in return I get a free serving of spring rolls (worth 2,50€) with every order, making the 50 cent investment a rather good deal ;)
Re: No tipping means better business
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not always cheaper, especially when you account for time and effort lost. Eating out isn't only about fine dining; there are plenty of cheap and healthy places quite suited for everyday meals.
Are these places you refer to self service? If so tipping isn't really in play in most cases.
It varies. Sometimes there is service; sometimes you order at the counter and they bring your food over. Anyway, I always tip, because I want them to remember me in a good way - which works perfectly.
BTW, one full meal in such places around me usually costs around $5-10. With a typical salary of a senior engineer outside of SF, it's still quite an affordable option.
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have strong opinions on tipping either way. Personally, I prefer a culture where tips are an optional extra in culture. You do it when pleasantly surprised. That's nothing more than an "i like it this way" though. That said, who says "the worker's salary is a employer's responsibility?" Monetary culture is ancient and emergent. It's culture. Complicated, organic, varied and local. That doesn't mean that we sh…
Is there a place where "tips are an optional extra"? It seems wherever I've been they are either expected or not expected/allowed...
Spain. It is common to "round it off" as a tip around here, but not mandatory in any way. Examples:
You get a beer somewhere, it's 1.75€ and you round it off to 2€. That's a reasonable tip that says "service has been fine, thanks.".
You get dinner somewhere, it's 57.25€ and you round it to 60€. Same thing as above.
You get dinner somewhere, it's 57.25€ and you pay exactly that amount. The message is "the price was fair enough for what I got". Nobody will look badly at you.
You get dinner somewhere, it's 57.25€ and you pay 70€. The message is "you have been wonderful hosts, thank you VERY much".
Also, tips are not just for the service, but for the entire experience. You tip if you want to compliment the service, but also/alternatively because you want to compliment the food, or the ambient, or whatever.