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Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

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Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

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Yes

It seems crazy to me that you're doing this as a kind of social service for the waiter or waitress, while helping to withhold owed tax revenue that could be used for other people who may be in need of social services.

The tax money would be spent on nukes, not public services.

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

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slightly related: I've never been to the US but have been aware of the mandatory tipping situation for a fair while. I'm curious though; when I was first made aware of it (2 or 3 decades ago), I am sure that the 'standard' tip was supposed to be closer to 10% than 20%. Is this correct? Has the actual % amount changed?

I don't live in the US, but have started rounding prices up to roughly 10%. I hope this tipping isn't going to drive wages down. Should I stop?

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

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This transition (from a tipping system to a "service included" system) happened in France in the 70s.

I'm personally, as a French and as a customer, much more confortable with the new system, and I always a bit ill at ease when dining out in countries that still use the old system: fear of making a miscalculation, of forgetting the tip, of not giving an amount that would be satisfying for the waiter/waitress, of the money not going to the actual person who would deserve it (especially when paying with a credit card), etc.

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

#55
I've been to many restaurants here in the UK (and in Europe) where the "service charge" is automatically applied to the bill. You're not expected to tip at these places.

Many people don't realise; If you receive bad service, complain and the charge can be either reduced or waived altogether.

[edit for clarity]

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems crazy to me that you're doing this as a kind of social service for the waiter or waitress, while helping to withhold owed tax revenue that could be used for other people who may be in need of social services.

The tax money would be spent on nukes, not public services.

You really shouldn't believe whatever you hear: whoever told you that grossly misinformed you. Even if we assume that "spent on nukes" is hyperbole for "spent on the military", the military is 16% of the federal budget, absolutely dwarfed by the rest of the budget (which mostly consists of items fairly described as public services). And that's the federal budget alone: state taxes obviously don't even have _that_ small proportion allocated to military spending so are even more heavily predisposed to social services.

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

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> Tips are also handled differently in different states, but in New York, by law, they can be pooled and distributed only to “front of house” employees: those who work in the dining room, like waiters, bartenders and backwaiters (formerly known as busboys).

That really makes no sense to me. When I go to a restaurant, I value the food a lot more than the service. I've come back again to restaurants where I hated the service but loved the food. I've never returned to a restaurant where I loved the service but the food was so-so. So, if I had to choose, I'd be tipping the kitchen staff only.

But as a European, I don't really like the practice of tipping and the rather pushy service from waiters trying to increase the bill (and come every 5 minutes asking me if everything's alright) that comes with it. It's also so much easier to not have to think about tipping at the end of a meal.

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

#58
Wage slavery is especially rampant in the food and beverage industry where low margins and high competition are the norm.

Including "tips" (you could still tip for extraordinary service) as well as sales tax in the price might be the first step towards more transparency and fair pay for everyone involved (owners to waiters) in what essentially amounts to a luxury service anyway.

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

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Wage slavery is especially rampant in the food and beverage industry where low margins and high competition are the norm. Including "tips" (you could still tip for extraordinary service) as well as sales tax in the price might be the first step towards more transparency and fair pay for everyone involved (owners to waiters) in what essentially amounts to a luxury service anyway.

I am in Thailand now, where the amount you see on the menu is exactly what you pay.

I just spent 10 days in New Delhi, India, where they add between 25% and 33% to your bill, before tips, in the name of VAT, Service Tax and Service Charge.

It's a world of difference. So much trust is lost.

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

#60
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes

It seems crazy to me that you're doing this as a kind of social service for the waiter or waitress, while helping to withhold owed tax revenue that could be used for other people who may be in need of social services.

Do real, flesh and blood people actually in real life wring their hands over the indeterminate effects of their miniscule mundane daily decisions?
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