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Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

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Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

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post #22

This Freakonomics episode from 2013 is well worth spending 37 minutes on before commenting. Or tipping... http://freakonomics.com/podcast/should-tipping-be-banned-a-n...

As is this one from March 2016: "The No-Tipping Point" http://freakonomics.com/podcast/danny-meyer/

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

#32
post #27

slightly related: I've never been to the US but have been aware of the mandatory tipping situation for a fair while. I'm curious though; when I was first made aware of it (2 or 3 decades ago), I am sure that the 'standard' tip was supposed to be closer to 10% than 20%. Is this correct? Has the actual % amount changed?

Two or three decades ago 15% was modal (and it might still be), but I hear the mean crept up to 18% sometime in the past five years.

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was in the US, I also had to mentally adjust for the incomplete, tax-less, pricing at places. At the airport, I thought I could buy one last thing from my last few coins and bills of change. Quite a bummer at the register when it turned out it was actually more expensive. In Europe, sometimes prices even list both the VAT included and excluded prices.

What's the point of even having a price sticker if what's charged is more than what it says? Are some people exempt from the sales tax added? Is it dynamic depdending on the total amount charged?

States have different sale tax in the US, you can't realistically know where your goods end up when manufacturing them.

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

#34
post #27

slightly related: I've never been to the US but have been aware of the mandatory tipping situation for a fair while. I'm curious though; when I was first made aware of it (2 or 3 decades ago), I am sure that the 'standard' tip was supposed to be closer to 10% than 20%. Is this correct? Has the actual % amount changed?

Two or three decades ago 15% was modal (and it might still be), but I hear the mean crept up to 18% sometime in the past five years.

Interesting. I wonder why. Maybe compensating for stagnating wages? Or maybe falling food and beverage costs (in relative terms)?

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

#35
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was in the US, I also had to mentally adjust for the incomplete, tax-less, pricing at places. At the airport, I thought I could buy one last thing from my last few coins and bills of change. Quite a bummer at the register when it turned out it was actually more expensive. In Europe, sometimes prices even list both the VAT included and excluded prices.

What's the point of even having a price sticker if what's charged is more than what it says? Are some people exempt from the sales tax added? Is it dynamic depdending on the total amount charged?

Tax-free sticker price is good for making you aware how much you are paying for the product and how much goes to the tax man.

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

#36
post #7

I don't see why they can't just keep prices the same and add a "mandatory 20% service charge" at the bottom.

Because then you're just adding a mandatory 20% tip, when a tip is supposed to reward good service. Of course, it really doesn't mean that any more (they're more or less expected/required) but I usually get pretty annoyed when I see a "Mandatory 18% gratuity for parties of 6 or more" thing at the bottom of a menu (even though I usually tip 18-20%). If you're going to require a 20% gratuity, increase all prices by 20%…

I much prefer "everyone pays the same" rather than "(the most aggressive and able-to-rationalize why they can tip less this time) get subsidized by people with qualms".

The case of Walmart would seem to go against your point; they're much closer to the tip-free model. "You see this price? That's what you pay." (With the caveat that some items are taxed.)

If anything, modern/Western retail stores closely parallel the transition that tipless restaraunts are making: there used to be an ad-hoc, inefficient, confusing, anti-introvert system for vending goods. It was called "haggling". It was replaced by a higher-volume, fixed price system that provided greater assurance that customers weren't getting ripped off or subsidizing those who were better at the dance.

Lots of parallels to how tipping works.

Edit: A closer parallel would be if Walmart replaced pretax prices and "you just have to know that some of these are taxed at whatever-the-current-local-rate is" with tax-inclusive prices.

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

#39
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That happens all the time at many restaurants for larger groups.

I know, I was a waiter for years. We had to get rid of that policy because we were losing business.

My problem with mandatory tip (usually I see 18%), especially when it is just applied to people redeeming a groupon or something and not everyone, is that I then view it as both a floor and a ceiling, and so does the waiter.

Re: Year of Upheaval for Restaurants That Ended Tipping

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No tipping is tricky when it's not mandated, because prices always look and feel more expensive comparatively, even if it works out the same in the end. People are very impressionable to their initial sub-conscious impressions. Hence pricing like $9.99. It seems marketers have been aggressively going the other way over the last few years: do whatever it takes to minimize the sticker shock, then siphon as much as poss…

On the other side, it reduces cognitive overhead. For this, see unlimited plans (e.g. all you can eat, all inclusive holidays, unlimited streaming like netflix, etc) which may or may not be more expensive than paying as you go. Even bags of veg costing more than individual items in the UK is common.

It reduces the effort of making the decision, and so makes it the easiest path.

All you can eat restaurants are probably the simplest counterexample for your list.

It can remove the decision between places from "Well X is a bit less than Y but then the service is better, what's 20% of that vs 15% of ... added..." to just "It costs $X".

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