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Re: Try emergent coding

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Post by endlessvoid94 » Sun, Dec 25, 2016, 5:11 PM UTC

sgentle wrote: post #8

I'm reminded of what Richard Dawkins had to say about the Bicameral Mind book: "either complete rubbish or a work of consummate genius, nothing in between!" This website is really rough, the writing is dense and the first rule of video club is don't get one of the founders to narrate the video unless your CTO is Morgan Freeman. That said, I think this is just so unbelievably audacious that it's worth a look anyway. T…

Only related because you mentioned it, but...I found the bicameral mind book to be an amazing read. I often found myself sitting and thinking for a long time after reading certain paragraphs.

Re: Try emergent coding

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Post by oliv__ » Sun, Dec 25, 2016, 5:23 PM UTC

"Code Valley envisions a world where all software projects are designed and built using a collective effort of developers across the globe, by automatically pulling in their expertise anew for every project"

Right...like...open source?

Re: Try emergent coding

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Post by detaro » Sun, Dec 25, 2016, 5:27 PM UTC

oliv__ wrote: post #12

"Code Valley envisions a world where all software projects are designed and built using a collective effort of developers across the globe, by automatically pulling in their expertise anew for every project" Right...like...open source?

but apparently with pixie dust that buys libraries automatically. Or something like that.

Re: Try emergent coding

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Post by nol13 » Sun, Dec 25, 2016, 5:31 PM UTC

sgentle wrote: post #8

I'm reminded of what Richard Dawkins had to say about the Bicameral Mind book: "either complete rubbish or a work of consummate genius, nothing in between!" This website is really rough, the writing is dense and the first rule of video club is don't get one of the founders to narrate the video unless your CTO is Morgan Freeman. That said, I think this is just so unbelievably audacious that it's worth a look anyway. T…

Sounds like absolute rubbish to me..

("It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!")

Re: Try emergent coding

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Post by jasonzwalker » Sun, Dec 25, 2016, 5:41 PM UTC

That site needs an "Explain it to me like I'm 5" section.

And a little more detail than "Oh my god! where are your parents?"

Re: Try emergent coding

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Post by SuperPaintMan » Sun, Dec 25, 2016, 5:54 PM UTC

cdvonstinkpot wrote: post #9

justusw wrote: post #7

So is this something like numer.ai but for code?

Wow- _love_ that snow graphic they've got there...

Ctrl-Alt-Down ;)

Re: Try emergent coding

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Post by MichaelGG » Sun, Dec 25, 2016, 5:56 PM UTC

pasiaj wrote: post #4

The video on the website is hilariously bad. Feels more like a parody skit than a real presentation of the service. Here's a better one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZCv696rMCk

That video feels like a viral ad for some new comedy TV show aimed at developers. You just "select features" then a "network of developer bots" contract out recursively until they contract developer bots to build individual bytes. Then they "join bytes together" into "one long string of bytes".

This has to be a scam, a joke, performance art -- something like that.

Edit: After reading the website more in depth, I am not sure anymore. I get the sinking feeling it's one of those situations where someone has an idea that might in some way make sort of sense but not really, but they somehow have a circle of support that funds or helps them do "stuff". Maybe even picking up some true believers as investors?

For instance, I was contacted about an opportunity to work on a firewall "that uses soundwaves for data so it's hacker proof". They claimed they could break AES at will (hence the need for sound-encrypted data). They had lots of promo materials built, and had spent years on the idea. Had a sales guy/evangelist getting people interested. Even had prototype hardware.

Re: Try emergent coding

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Post by dkarapetyan » Sun, Dec 25, 2016, 6:02 PM UTC

nol13 wrote: post #14

sgentle wrote: post #8

I'm reminded of what Richard Dawkins had to say about the Bicameral Mind book: "either complete rubbish or a work of consummate genius, nothing in between!" This website is really rough, the writing is dense and the first rule of video club is don't get one of the founders to narrate the video unless your CTO is Morgan Freeman. That said, I think this is just so unbelievably audacious that it's worth a look anyway. T…

Sounds like absolute rubbish to me.. ("It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!")

I've been waiting to be automated out of my job for a while now. I also think this is rubbish but great that they are trying. I'm sure it will deliver some value to someone.

Re: Try emergent coding

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Post by simple10 » Sun, Dec 25, 2016, 6:02 PM UTC

This reminds me a lot of when Joe Firmage[1][2] created Many One as a portal for all mankind (and aliens) to access all Earth information by zooming around a globe. It was plagued with grand vision and hyperbolic prose when in reality it just wanted to be Google Earth with some plugins.

It looks like the guys behind Code Valley have been working on this for a long time with patents[3] dating back to 2003. There's probably some sort of Internet law at work here where the longer an idea has been worked on without traction, the more hyperbolic the prose becomes in order to maintain commitment from the founders.

[1] https://en.wiki2.org/wiki/Joe_Firmage [2] http://academyofscienceandarts.org/videopage [3] http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2006/0161888.html

Re: Try emergent coding

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Post by mst » Sun, Dec 25, 2016, 6:27 PM UTC

sgentle wrote: post #8

I'm reminded of what Richard Dawkins had to say about the Bicameral Mind book: "either complete rubbish or a work of consummate genius, nothing in between!" This website is really rough, the writing is dense and the first rule of video club is don't get one of the founders to narrate the video unless your CTO is Morgan Freeman. That said, I think this is just so unbelievably audacious that it's worth a look anyway. T…

The blog ( https://codevalley.com/blog ) is ... really something.

> All layers of abstraction are encapsulated into a single scalable system. Since there are no codebases and thus far fewer unintended consequences, Code Valley neatly sidesteps the software complexity trap. We don’t need to search for silver bullets anymore — the Werewolf has been retired to a harmless cottage, no longer able to bother the were-proof residents of the Valley.

I ... can't see how the top level 'pilot' operations don't effectively count as a codebase, just a really weird one.