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Why is Mail Online going after the fact checkers?

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Re: Why is Mail Online going after the fact checkers?

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I would have agreed with this article until the forbes story broke.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-dail...

It makes snopes look worse run than a college newspaper.

I also agree with the forbes article in that we need much much tranparency and openess from our fact checkers.

Re: Why is Mail Online going after the fact checkers?

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I would have agreed with this article until the forbes story broke. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-dail... It makes snopes look worse run than a college newspaper. I also agree with the forbes article in that we need much much tranparency and openess from our fact checkers.

Oh please, this is a typical bullshit story from a site with famously loose editorial oversight itself.

It was with incredible surprise therefore that I received David’s one-sentence response which read in its entirety “I'd be happy to speak with you, but I can only address some aspects in general because I'm precluded by the terms of a binding settlement agreement from discussing details of my divorce.”

This absolutely astounded me. Here was the one of the world’s most respected fact checking organizations, soon to be an ultimate arbitrator of “truth” on Facebook, saying that it cannot respond to a fact checking request because of a secrecy agreement.

In short, when someone attempted to fact check the fact checker, the response was the equivalent of “its secret.”

It is impossible to understate how antithetical this is to the fact checking world, in which absolute openness and transparency are necessary prerequisites for trust. How can fact checking organizations like Snopes expect the public to place trust in them if when they themselves are called into question, their response is that they can’t respond.

What's so astonishing about it? A divorce settlement in which the parties agree not to talk about each other in public isn't scandalous, and it's not like these people are on the public payroll; rather, they provide a service, have built a good brand from the overall high reliability of that service (notwithstanding a lack of total perfection), and the market has been largely satisfied with the quality of the offering. Divorces happen and they're sometimes bitter and contentious. So what?

I don't really care how Snopes is run as long as it consistently provides a high quality of information, while being aware of variations in the quality of their output from time to time. I have certainly found it a more reliable source of information, on average, than the Daily Mail or indeed Forbes over a period going back to its founding.

Re: Why is Mail Online going after the fact checkers?

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I guess a publication like the mail has two big reasons to feel threatened by a rise of fact checking sites.

1. It inhibits their ability to embellish stories and thus could effect revenue.

2. If you need to goto some trust worthy organisation to fact check. Why do you need to visit the publisher first?

Re: Why is Mail Online going after the fact checkers?

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It's poor form for the guardian to not link the original article, at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4042194/Facebook-fac...

The guardian article is a hit piece, and a poorly written one at that. It gives very little information and a lot of vague or indirect criticism. (Makes you think how much more effective hit pieces can be when the writer actually has something to work with: even this will probably convince a lot of people that critiques of snopes are invalid.)

On priors I'd expect there to be issues with the mail article, but the guardian doesn't tell me what they are.

Re: Why is Mail Online going after the fact checkers?

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post #5

I guess a publication like the mail has two big reasons to feel threatened by a rise of fact checking sites. 1. It inhibits their ability to embellish stories and thus could effect revenue. 2. If you need to goto some trust worthy organisation to fact check. Why do you need to visit the publisher first?

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Re: Why is Mail Online going after the fact checkers?

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post #7

It's poor form for the guardian to not link the original article, at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4042194/Facebook-fac... The guardian article is a hit piece, and a poorly written one at that. It gives very little information and a lot of vague or indirect criticism. (Makes you think how much more effective hit pieces can be when the writer actually has something to work with: even this will probably convi…

[edit] I completely misread the comment above as asking Hacker News to link to the original source article, not for the Guardian to have linked it. My bad, and I agree with the parent.

For any other reputable news source I'd totally agree - but in this case, it's poor form to give the Daily Mail your ad revenue. This is not any regular newspaper: it is a mouthpiece for an organised hate campaign aimed at stirring up political tensions against immigrants, the disabled and out of work, and other 'undesirables' - which just also happens to be really good at writing social-media-friendly celebrity stories.

Re: Why is Mail Online going after the fact checkers?

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I would have agreed with this article until the forbes story broke. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-dail... It makes snopes look worse run than a college newspaper. I also agree with the forbes article in that we need much much tranparency and openess from our fact checkers.

There's a lawyer's saying that when the facts are against you, you pound on the table. The Guardian won't even repeat, let alone attempt to refute, anything published in the Daily Mail.

Just let that sink in for a moment: the Guardian is unable to dispute the Daily Mail on a factual level on this one. Instead they talk about everything and anything else rather than discuss the actual subject matter in the reports. "Nothing to see here, move along!" But even a stopped clock can be right twice a day. And this would hardly be the first real news broken by a tabloid.

We live in interesting times. I just hope they're not the "interesting times" from that fictitious Chinese curse.

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